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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://warrenkinsella.com/2010/03/citizen-media-vs-the-boring-old-farts/#comment-337</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 05:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One word -- eye problems; eyestrain to glaucoma.</description>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://warrenkinsella.com/2010/03/citizen-media-vs-the-boring-old-farts/#comment-336</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 05:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you heard that joke about - what are all those old newspaper hoarders living among stacks of papers . . going to do now that newspapers are going the way of the dodo? 

Might cut down on a few house fires. I have mixed feelings - about it; but I don&#039;t subscribe to newspapers, and the reason I always give them is that it&#039;s just too much paper; and it is. Having paper publications disappear might not be such a bad thing from an environmental pov. Pulp and paper plants are horribly polluting, and responsible for the loss of a lot of trees. One plant in BC caused really thick heavy fogs, that caused accidents. It pollutes rivers, and air - it&#039;s time for it to stop. 
If they started using hemp paper, that would help, but it&#039;s still a lot of paper. 

And the ink rubs off on stuff and makes things dirty. I like to sit and read something physical - but not all that much. I don&#039;t like to do a ton of reading on the internet, because I don&#039;t like staring at a screen for that long -- so I&#039;m finding that I listen to CBC radio more now; although they get on my wick at times - it is an alternative. 

Death of the Newspaper
http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/atlarge/2009/01/26/090126crat_atlarge_lepore

http://www.newspaperdeathwatch.com/
Chronicling the death of Newspapers, and the Rebirth of Journalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you heard that joke about &#8211; what are all those old newspaper hoarders living among stacks of papers . . going to do now that newspapers are going the way of the dodo? </p>
<p>Might cut down on a few house fires. I have mixed feelings &#8211; about it; but I don&#8217;t subscribe to newspapers, and the reason I always give them is that it&#8217;s just too much paper; and it is. Having paper publications disappear might not be such a bad thing from an environmental pov. Pulp and paper plants are horribly polluting, and responsible for the loss of a lot of trees. One plant in BC caused really thick heavy fogs, that caused accidents. It pollutes rivers, and air &#8211; it&#8217;s time for it to stop.<br />
If they started using hemp paper, that would help, but it&#8217;s still a lot of paper. </p>
<p>And the ink rubs off on stuff and makes things dirty. I like to sit and read something physical &#8211; but not all that much. I don&#8217;t like to do a ton of reading on the internet, because I don&#8217;t like staring at a screen for that long &#8212; so I&#8217;m finding that I listen to CBC radio more now; although they get on my wick at times &#8211; it is an alternative. </p>
<p>Death of the Newspaper<br />
<a href="http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/atlarge/2009/01/26/090126crat_atlarge_lepore" rel="nofollow">http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/atlarge/2009/01/26/090126crat_atlarge_lepore</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.newspaperdeathwatch.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.newspaperdeathwatch.com/</a><br />
Chronicling the death of Newspapers, and the Rebirth of Journalism.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://warrenkinsella.com/2010/03/citizen-media-vs-the-boring-old-farts/#comment-324</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read a story in the paper today about a spat between Andre Agassi and Pete Sampras at a charity tennis match.  Problem for the paper is the event happened last friday, I read and watched video about it on Deadspin the next day and the paper tries to pass this off as news on Tuesday?  That sums up why print papers are dying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read a story in the paper today about a spat between Andre Agassi and Pete Sampras at a charity tennis match.  Problem for the paper is the event happened last friday, I read and watched video about it on Deadspin the next day and the paper tries to pass this off as news on Tuesday?  That sums up why print papers are dying.</p>
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		<title>By: Aurelia</title>
		<link>http://warrenkinsella.com/2010/03/citizen-media-vs-the-boring-old-farts/#comment-317</link>
		<dc:creator>Aurelia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand where this rosy lovely view of journalism came from, but I always thought there was a VERY strong component of ratings, and papers sold, and how often they were passed on so the ad companies could figure out how many eyeballs were seeing the ads and set ad rates accordingly.

Gee whiz, guess I was wrong and it was all a charity venture from the start? Or maybe we have some heavy nostalgia for days that never were?

About the idea of how to make money in a new media world? Well, Tina Brown spoke at BlogHer09 and said that she had learned that old media ad salespeople are being used to sell ads for the new media side, except that they don&#039;t understand it, and so they don&#039;t do well at it. They need to relearn how to place ads and do the technical part, but they.just.don&#039;t.  So she is hiring new people. And she makes money. 

There are a lot of ways to make money on the web, but companies have to be willing to change, and take risks. And they aren&#039;t. And you can&#039;t have journalism, without that money.

As for bloggers not breaking stories, sorry, that only applies to the Canadian political bloggers. (And not all of them, some do break stories) http://www.themudflats.net/ This American blogger, at Mudflats? He investigated everything about Sarah Palin, and he broke it. Not the MSM. Same for legions of female bloggers and e-patients and others who are changing the way health care works, almost single handedly by telling their stories, and being asked to Capitol Hill to talk to the White House. 

And as for the MSM being better writers? Hmmm, well I&#039;ll remember that the next time another blog friend of mine gets a book deal or gets hired to write for Federated Media, or gets a writing award.---Some mainstream media are great writers, and some are awful. Some bloggers are great, and some are awful. You know what I find most interesting? The women who write on the web, who are former journalists and lost their jobs after having kids and refusing to work 100 hours a week. And now they work for themselves, and make more money. 

Maybe that&#039;s a good thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand where this rosy lovely view of journalism came from, but I always thought there was a VERY strong component of ratings, and papers sold, and how often they were passed on so the ad companies could figure out how many eyeballs were seeing the ads and set ad rates accordingly.</p>
<p>Gee whiz, guess I was wrong and it was all a charity venture from the start? Or maybe we have some heavy nostalgia for days that never were?</p>
<p>About the idea of how to make money in a new media world? Well, Tina Brown spoke at BlogHer09 and said that she had learned that old media ad salespeople are being used to sell ads for the new media side, except that they don&#8217;t understand it, and so they don&#8217;t do well at it. They need to relearn how to place ads and do the technical part, but they.just.don&#8217;t.  So she is hiring new people. And she makes money. </p>
<p>There are a lot of ways to make money on the web, but companies have to be willing to change, and take risks. And they aren&#8217;t. And you can&#8217;t have journalism, without that money.</p>
<p>As for bloggers not breaking stories, sorry, that only applies to the Canadian political bloggers. (And not all of them, some do break stories) <a href="http://www.themudflats.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.themudflats.net/</a> This American blogger, at Mudflats? He investigated everything about Sarah Palin, and he broke it. Not the MSM. Same for legions of female bloggers and e-patients and others who are changing the way health care works, almost single handedly by telling their stories, and being asked to Capitol Hill to talk to the White House. </p>
<p>And as for the MSM being better writers? Hmmm, well I&#8217;ll remember that the next time another blog friend of mine gets a book deal or gets hired to write for Federated Media, or gets a writing award.&#8212;Some mainstream media are great writers, and some are awful. Some bloggers are great, and some are awful. You know what I find most interesting? The women who write on the web, who are former journalists and lost their jobs after having kids and refusing to work 100 hours a week. And now they work for themselves, and make more money. </p>
<p>Maybe that&#8217;s a good thing?</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Prager</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry Prager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Main Stream media is the medium of the corporatist message, and contrary to their being broadcasters, they are actually narrow casters of their message: www is WSM: wide stream media; it has more stories, more POV&#039;s, and therefor more interesting contexts and meanings, it is a more democratic medium and message. Journalists who narrrowcast the corporatist message are less interesting, however good a writer they may be, or however hard they are trying to be a good journalisst. The pretense of objectivity is also not in their favour, no individual can be objective, everything is subjective, and in the case of corporate media, subject constrained, at best a journalist can be fair, at best a blogger can be fair, some journalists speak truth to power, most don&#039;t, that most is why most of us aren&#039;t interested in what they have to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Main Stream media is the medium of the corporatist message, and contrary to their being broadcasters, they are actually narrow casters of their message: www is WSM: wide stream media; it has more stories, more POV&#8217;s, and therefor more interesting contexts and meanings, it is a more democratic medium and message. Journalists who narrrowcast the corporatist message are less interesting, however good a writer they may be, or however hard they are trying to be a good journalisst. The pretense of objectivity is also not in their favour, no individual can be objective, everything is subjective, and in the case of corporate media, subject constrained, at best a journalist can be fair, at best a blogger can be fair, some journalists speak truth to power, most don&#8217;t, that most is why most of us aren&#8217;t interested in what they have to say.</p>
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		<title>By: mar</title>
		<link>http://warrenkinsella.com/2010/03/citizen-media-vs-the-boring-old-farts/#comment-315</link>
		<dc:creator>mar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Government Funding / Research Scandal
(**Updated March 15th** -  Participants)

Visit the website that the Canadian House of Commons and many Universities across North America have as well.

---------------------------------------------
It&#039;s an ingenious form of white collar crime:

PHD credentials / contacts, an expendable family, participation of a dubious core of established professionals, Government agency funding (identity protected by Privacy Commissioner Office), unlimited funding (under the guise of research grants), PHD individuals linked with the patient (deter liability issues), patient diagnosed with mental illness (hospital committed events = no legal lawyer access/rights), cooperation of local University and police (resources and security); note the Director of Brock Campus Security.

This all adds up to a personal ATM; at the expense of Canadian Taxpayers!
-------------------
Google

Medicine Gone Bad

or

http://medicine-gone-bad.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Government Funding / Research Scandal<br />
(**Updated March 15th** &#8211;  Participants)</p>
<p>Visit the website that the Canadian House of Commons and many Universities across North America have as well.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
It&#8217;s an ingenious form of white collar crime:</p>
<p>PHD credentials / contacts, an expendable family, participation of a dubious core of established professionals, Government agency funding (identity protected by Privacy Commissioner Office), unlimited funding (under the guise of research grants), PHD individuals linked with the patient (deter liability issues), patient diagnosed with mental illness (hospital committed events = no legal lawyer access/rights), cooperation of local University and police (resources and security); note the Director of Brock Campus Security.</p>
<p>This all adds up to a personal ATM; at the expense of Canadian Taxpayers!<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Google</p>
<p>Medicine Gone Bad</p>
<p>or</p>
<p><a href="http://medicine-gone-bad.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://medicine-gone-bad.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kaplan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaplan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aside from your first point, all your other points are exactly why we need a healthy and vibrant MSM - and why the blogosphere can be such a vacuous and even dangerous medium.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aside from your first point, all your other points are exactly why we need a healthy and vibrant MSM &#8211; and why the blogosphere can be such a vacuous and even dangerous medium.</p>
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		<title>By: Tceh</title>
		<link>http://warrenkinsella.com/2010/03/citizen-media-vs-the-boring-old-farts/#comment-313</link>
		<dc:creator>Tceh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MSM is still in the drivers seat when it comes to breaking news. Who has the resources or time or connections to break news. The next best thing to do is react. Some of the reacting is well done, others not so much.

I have watched bloggers react intelligently and accurately but it all depends on their reach as to whether their message will get out or not. What I find frustrating is watching the news organizations continuously get the story wrong and/or report the story in only a lightly researched way, then move on to the next new thing as quickly as possible. Some bloggers have expertise on one issue but know the issue very well. If you pick who you read and counterbalance the MSM message with the blogger message sometimes the blogger is head and shoulders above MSM reporting on a particular subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MSM is still in the drivers seat when it comes to breaking news. Who has the resources or time or connections to break news. The next best thing to do is react. Some of the reacting is well done, others not so much.</p>
<p>I have watched bloggers react intelligently and accurately but it all depends on their reach as to whether their message will get out or not. What I find frustrating is watching the news organizations continuously get the story wrong and/or report the story in only a lightly researched way, then move on to the next new thing as quickly as possible. Some bloggers have expertise on one issue but know the issue very well. If you pick who you read and counterbalance the MSM message with the blogger message sometimes the blogger is head and shoulders above MSM reporting on a particular subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True dat. I have not broken one story - not one! - in the ten-plus years I&#039;ve had this ridiculous web site. The only time I&#039;ve generated news here is when I&#039;ve poured gas on myself and lit a match. 

Same for other such web sites. We don&#039;t generate content - we regurgitate other people&#039;s content. 

Ew. That&#039;s gross. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True dat. I have not broken one story &#8211; not one! &#8211; in the ten-plus years I&#8217;ve had this ridiculous web site. The only time I&#8217;ve generated news here is when I&#8217;ve poured gas on myself and lit a match. </p>
<p>Same for other such web sites. We don&#8217;t generate content &#8211; we regurgitate other people&#8217;s content. </p>
<p>Ew. That&#8217;s gross.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the &quot;MSM&quot; has a great deal to fix, and much to atone for. Weak opinion is replacing serious reportage in far too many MSM outlets. But...

---RDuckham wrote: &quot;Bloggers actually do research for their articles, Newspapers just regurgitate press releases.&quot;

What planet are you blogging from? The vast majority - north of 99% - of bloggers are merely partisans regurgitating the same partisan press releases the reporters regurgitated once already. &quot;Yum - it&#039;s predigested!&quot;

To Warren&#039;s credit, he admits it. His virtue is that he doesn&#039;t pretend to be doing anything other than adding his own comments. Meanwhile, many of his &#039;competitors&#039; really think they&#039;re vox populi and Edward Murrow after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the &#8220;MSM&#8221; has a great deal to fix, and much to atone for. Weak opinion is replacing serious reportage in far too many MSM outlets. But&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8212;RDuckham wrote: &#8220;Bloggers actually do research for their articles, Newspapers just regurgitate press releases.&#8221;</p>
<p>What planet are you blogging from? The vast majority &#8211; north of 99% &#8211; of bloggers are merely partisans regurgitating the same partisan press releases the reporters regurgitated once already. &#8220;Yum &#8211; it&#8217;s predigested!&#8221;</p>
<p>To Warren&#8217;s credit, he admits it. His virtue is that he doesn&#8217;t pretend to be doing anything other than adding his own comments. Meanwhile, many of his &#8216;competitors&#8217; really think they&#8217;re vox populi and Edward Murrow after all.</p>
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