These are valid points in that the LPC is not the party it used to be (understatement).
Many defections to the LPC from other parties were welcomed as something natural.
Could this be the beginning of other defections like yourself Warren who left Mr. Ignatieff for obvious reasons?
I resigned the LPC war room because I didn’t like how my friends had been treated, and because of the state of the party. But I’m still a Liberal, big time. I believe in Liberalism.
Well, I’m not surprised that ‘Giggles’ wrote an article to embarrass him with it, or that you’d pick up on it (given how scandalized you were by his last show of normal, red-blooded passion).
But most normal people who don’t have Victorian-era (the Queenly, not the new Secret one) sensibilities will actually let the odd display of humour from both men pass pretty quickly, or even appreciate them a little more for it.
At least we don’t have to now wonder whether Ignatieff’s a boxer or brief guy – we’ll let your imaginations run wild – it might get the LPOC votes but all it might do is turn some on:-)
Nice to read that Jane T.’ keep track of things like this because it matters to everyday Canadians.
“There is a yellow one that won’t accept the black one
That won’t accept the red one, that won’t accept the white one
Different strokes for different folks
And so on and so on and Scooby dooby doo-bee
Oh, sha sha
This is why spellcheck should be turned off: typos can be very revealing. (“liberalsim”)
We haven’t heard much about “The Sims,” lately, but you might’ve hit on something there, with Rossi. (A simulated, virtual Liberal, who needed outside users’ intervention to keep them on the right track.)
Really, Pete?
If you respect my individual rights, then don’t insist that I fill out a long-form census or register my personal property.
Compared to the nosey, social-engineering, nanny-state LPC, Harper looks like a true libertarian.
um, so how come Harper’s still insisting that the head of every single Canadian household still has to fill out the short form census which includes lots of nosy-parker questions on the identities of everyone in the household, including their sex, age & DOB, and familial or marital relation (incl. common-law) to one another?
Or forcing the farmers who get the agricultural census to have to spend a whole day or get an accountant to fill out their hundreds of questions form?
And forcing those poor random saps unlucky enough to be caught in the monthly Labour Force Survey to endure a whole slew of questions on not only their employment status but their household finances and a whole range of other matters, for about six months at a stretch?
Is all that incompatible with believing in human rights, too?
Liberalism is the belief that it is a moral imperative to invest in services and supports for the poor with the money available to government through strong fiscal guidance and pro-business development. It differs from the NDP in that there are limits on social investment related to the ability to pay and different from Cons in that the fiscal/business imperative is always tempered by the moral obligation to create a federal safety net for others.
It is a host of other things, but I’ve always felt that this balance is the best way to differentiate Liberals from ideological parties to the right and left.
Warren: Is it possible for you to get some legal action against this Rossi guy ? Maybe you can sue him for betrayal or irreconcilable differences or something like that.
Sure it is.So is the petulant rants of all you “jilted” liberal lovers.
Rossi is gone.He’s not coming back.
It sounds like he has picked an unwinnable seat to contest.
To say that he did this for himself,is also funny….and quite hard to believe.
What it suggests is that he had had quite enough of the liberal parties(federal and provincial)lack of direction,policies and ethics.He went looking for a better place to hang his hat,and it appears that he found it.
vs. Mike Bullard: remember him? didn’t think so; after he jumped ship from CTV to Global for more money and exposure… and then got blown away by Jon Stewart and faded to oblivion.
I think our view of liberalism has evolved into a uniquely Canadian version deriving from Laurier, Pearson and Trudeau. It centres on individual freedom, free enterprise, human rights, national unity, a significant social safety net made necessary by the demands of modern life, and a government role in promoting the christian desire to relieve human suffering.
So there!
A liberal accepts restriction on individual freedom. We are not libertarians. You are coming to a corner in your Esplanade; a guy with an old wreck of a pickup about 10 years old is coming the other way. Really why should you have to stop for a red light and let this nobody go through ahead of you?
I think this is a clever idea. Run as a Tory in the 416, sap away lots of dough from other Tories in the GTA in another unsuccessful election bid & ensure the incumbent MPP raises oodles of cash in the meantime. Genius.
I do not know too much about Mr. Rossi except hear his name
His action was weird he more business man than politic party man
It is hard to trust business man in faithful to party as they are going
Where ever more profit smell out of it and this is normal act from all business people
As conservative try to buy out vote from rich by saying we like you we cut your tax not liberal
Or May all was plan to cut liberal and bring conservative vote up this way
I do not think he was double agent to help liberal loose and gain to conservative
With intention or pass thier secret and method of their voting to conservative!
But if he did criminal illegal competition to buy out by other party if they proof that
He may go to trouble and all election of Mr. Ford can repeat all over again I guess
This quick change is intention hurt
It is like Mr. Dion come and announces he join conservative party
Because he lost liberal PM election next month after his failure
Or we see tomorrow Mr. Mubarak of Egypt right hand wear new dress of radical Muslim
Not the nice suit coat and saying Allah Akbar and join opposition or vice versa
Legally he cannot join conservative it smell conspiracy against political party to
My knowledge or who know he may buy up here to do this way
This is hard to change GTA liberal to conservative bulling unless they do trick voting
By buy out the other leader here this s not coalition to me
Or simple rich business man
Like conservative for their tax cut from rich
Who bluffing he Rossi said he involve liberal when he was 11 years old
And he choose liberal because power in GTA was liberal party only
Now he just see switch link more toward right Tories conservative
He like other business men choose early wind way toward for keeps his
Internet dialling home for vote for him to vote for other person
Who knows he may use his party only to reduce his tax dedication
Too from his business
No problems we can do new vote for new mayor do we have money in budget!
Is it just me,or is the picture of Mr. Rossi supposed to make one think of the dictator,Mussolini?
If so,I would suggest that it is in extremely bad taste.
Interesting take by Matt Gurney with some valid points here:
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/02/02/matt-gurney-liberals-rossi-rage-cant-hide-their-own-complicity/
Also, Rossi himself explains without signs of “desperation”:
http://www.cfra.com/chum_audio/Ae.Rocco.Rossi.11.02.01.mp3
These are valid points in that the LPC is not the party it used to be (understatement).
Many defections to the LPC from other parties were welcomed as something natural.
Could this be the beginning of other defections like yourself Warren who left Mr. Ignatieff for obvious reasons?
I resigned the LPC war room because I didn’t like how my friends had been treated, and because of the state of the party. But I’m still a Liberal, big time. I believe in Liberalism.
Rossi believes in one thing – himself.
this isn’t helping the LPC either. Actually it’s got to be flipping embarrassing.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/first-its-his-junk-now-its-lacy-lingerie-for-ignatieff/article1892222/
Cath, are you a prude or do you just look “Tory” in sexy lingerie
Well, I’m not surprised that ‘Giggles’ wrote an article to embarrass him with it, or that you’d pick up on it (given how scandalized you were by his last show of normal, red-blooded passion).
But if memory serves, it was probably also “flipping embarrassing” for the PM to be called out by a Dominatrix (and, of course, Jane) for ‘not being a man’ when he was ‘hiding behind the courts’ on the bawdy house laws instead of dealing with it in Parliament
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/pressed-on-prostitution-law-pm-jokes-about-dominatrix/article1822335/
But most normal people who don’t have Victorian-era (the Queenly, not the new Secret one) sensibilities will actually let the odd display of humour from both men pass pretty quickly, or even appreciate them a little more for it.
At least we don’t have to now wonder whether Ignatieff’s a boxer or brief guy – we’ll let your imaginations run wild – it might get the LPOC votes but all it might do is turn some on:-)
Nice to read that Jane T.’ keep track of things like this because it matters to everyday Canadians.
“There is a yellow one that won’t accept the black one
That won’t accept the red one, that won’t accept the white one
Different strokes for different folks
And so on and so on and Scooby dooby doo-bee
Oh, sha sha
‘Cause I am everyday people”
Sylvester ‘Sly’ Stewart
So naught what CPC should show or C would wear
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69ywQpPcUkY
LIBERALISM…….ANYTHING BUT HARPER.
DID YOU NOT KNOW THAT?
In actual fact liberalsim is respect for individual rights and not just those of party friends.
This is why spellcheck should be turned off: typos can be very revealing. (“liberalsim”)
We haven’t heard much about “The Sims,” lately, but you might’ve hit on something there, with Rossi. (A simulated, virtual Liberal, who needed outside users’ intervention to keep them on the right track.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sims
Really, Pete?
If you respect my individual rights, then don’t insist that I fill out a long-form census or register my personal property.
Compared to the nosey, social-engineering, nanny-state LPC, Harper looks like a true libertarian.
um, so how come Harper’s still insisting that the head of every single Canadian household still has to fill out the short form census which includes lots of nosy-parker questions on the identities of everyone in the household, including their sex, age & DOB, and familial or marital relation (incl. common-law) to one another?
Or forcing the farmers who get the agricultural census to have to spend a whole day or get an accountant to fill out their hundreds of questions form?
And forcing those poor random saps unlucky enough to be caught in the monthly Labour Force Survey to endure a whole slew of questions on not only their employment status but their household finances and a whole range of other matters, for about six months at a stretch?
Is all that incompatible with believing in human rights, too?
and that’s Gord meaning to be arch-flippant.
“Liberalism is the answer for which modernity is the question.” ~ Alan Wolfe
Use the brain, it ain’t forbidden, Gord
What is “conservatism”?
Liberalism is the belief that it is a moral imperative to invest in services and supports for the poor with the money available to government through strong fiscal guidance and pro-business development. It differs from the NDP in that there are limits on social investment related to the ability to pay and different from Cons in that the fiscal/business imperative is always tempered by the moral obligation to create a federal safety net for others.
It is a host of other things, but I’ve always felt that this balance is the best way to differentiate Liberals from ideological parties to the right and left.
Warren: Is it possible for you to get some legal action against this Rossi guy ? Maybe you can sue him for betrayal or irreconcilable differences or something like that.
That’s not even close to funny.
Sure it is.So is the petulant rants of all you “jilted” liberal lovers.
Rossi is gone.He’s not coming back.
It sounds like he has picked an unwinnable seat to contest.
To say that he did this for himself,is also funny….and quite hard to believe.
What it suggests is that he had had quite enough of the liberal parties(federal and provincial)lack of direction,policies and ethics.He went looking for a better place to hang his hat,and it appears that he found it.
“What it suggests is…”: only ‘cuz you wrong-wingers are so suggestible.
The fact is, he was searching for either type of riding to run in, and when the ON Lib. Party got wind of that, they cut him loose. Period.
and speaking of funny men: this whole situation reminds me of a couple of them:
Rick Mercer, who decided to stand pat and “Dance with the one that brung me,”
http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/television/article/825046–mercer-says-he-turned-down-sun-tv-job-offer?bn=1
vs. Mike Bullard: remember him? didn’t think so; after he jumped ship from CTV to Global for more money and exposure… and then got blown away by Jon Stewart and faded to oblivion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Mike_with_Mike_Bullard
I think our view of liberalism has evolved into a uniquely Canadian version deriving from Laurier, Pearson and Trudeau. It centres on individual freedom, free enterprise, human rights, national unity, a significant social safety net made necessary by the demands of modern life, and a government role in promoting the christian desire to relieve human suffering.
So there!
A liberal accepts restriction on individual freedom. We are not libertarians. You are coming to a corner in your Esplanade; a guy with an old wreck of a pickup about 10 years old is coming the other way. Really why should you have to stop for a red light and let this nobody go through ahead of you?
I think this is a clever idea. Run as a Tory in the 416, sap away lots of dough from other Tories in the GTA in another unsuccessful election bid & ensure the incumbent MPP raises oodles of cash in the meantime. Genius.
I do not know too much about Mr. Rossi except hear his name
His action was weird he more business man than politic party man
It is hard to trust business man in faithful to party as they are going
Where ever more profit smell out of it and this is normal act from all business people
As conservative try to buy out vote from rich by saying we like you we cut your tax not liberal
Or May all was plan to cut liberal and bring conservative vote up this way
I do not think he was double agent to help liberal loose and gain to conservative
With intention or pass thier secret and method of their voting to conservative!
But if he did criminal illegal competition to buy out by other party if they proof that
He may go to trouble and all election of Mr. Ford can repeat all over again I guess
This quick change is intention hurt
It is like Mr. Dion come and announces he join conservative party
Because he lost liberal PM election next month after his failure
Or we see tomorrow Mr. Mubarak of Egypt right hand wear new dress of radical Muslim
Not the nice suit coat and saying Allah Akbar and join opposition or vice versa
Legally he cannot join conservative it smell conspiracy against political party to
My knowledge or who know he may buy up here to do this way
This is hard to change GTA liberal to conservative bulling unless they do trick voting
By buy out the other leader here this s not coalition to me
Or simple rich business man
Like conservative for their tax cut from rich
Who bluffing he Rossi said he involve liberal when he was 11 years old
And he choose liberal because power in GTA was liberal party only
Now he just see switch link more toward right Tories conservative
He like other business men choose early wind way toward for keeps his
Internet dialling home for vote for him to vote for other person
Who knows he may use his party only to reduce his tax dedication
Too from his business
No problems we can do new vote for new mayor do we have money in budget!
Is it just me,or is the picture of Mr. Rossi supposed to make one think of the dictator,Mussolini?
If so,I would suggest that it is in extremely bad taste.
It’s just you.
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm651794688/tt0099685
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/toronto/city-votes/wise-guy-eh-rossis-new-campaign-ads-play-on-mob-theme/article1714964/