— Musings —11.19.2015 12:54 PM
When the world went mad, did you raise your voice?
— Musings —11.19.2015 12:54 PM
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True enough.
Can he be stopped?
The Republicans seem to be willing to buy this BS.
What happened to the Republican Party? It wasn’t always like this.
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George W. Bush happened. What you see in the GOP today was born out of his electoral machine (and subsequant presidencies) combination of super-charged political rhetoric and anti-intellectualism. He succeeded by mobilizing his base and his successers are attempting mobilize the base of that base (and the base of the base of that base).
Although honestly I think that GOP primary voters will come to their senses and put the sensible candidate in (amusingly… another Bush) and if not him then the compramise candidate (Rubio).
Regardless I think Clinton will mop the floor with any of them (Bush might give her a run for her money thou).
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I think it was even earlier than that – when the developed the Southern Strategy, and tied race-baiting to their electoral changes, it opened the right-wing fundy religious/Right wing rural Pandora’s Box.
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No, but Abe Lincoln lived a long time ago.
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He won’t be stopped.
The more he talks, the more people listen. Every outrageous thing he says garners attention, then support.
Everyday that Trump’s name is in the news is another mile the Republicans move away from the White House. Instead of exercising rationality, the other candidates follow right behind him in an effort to out-stupid him.
If I’m a Democrat in the USA, I’m thanking the GOP for ensuring another 4 years in power.
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Never assume ANYONE is too extreme to be elected. No matter what the party is, I always hope for the most moderate and electable leader or candidate to be chosen because you just never know.
Of course these days what passes for moderate in the Republican party would have been a tightly muzzled backbencher in Stephen Harper’s government. Hard to imagine any of these in a Canadian cabinet, let alone as PM
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How did dog-whistle racist crypto-fascist rhetoric work out for Jenni Byrne?
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Oy vey!
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Sigh. Unfortunately, it’s not just Trump and the fringe right…
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/11/19/major-hillary-clinton-donor-urges-more-scrutiny-of-muslims/?_r=0
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Shark has been officially JUMPED.
He should be complete toast now.
I am for thorough vetting and checking plus all the time needed to complete it and keeping our planes busy in the ME.
But this crap is a no-go for both our countries.
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Maybe the U.S. election should be delayed to allow more time to vet leadership candidates for insanity and thus better safeguard the American people. But then many U.S. voters remain ignorant about economic and political realities, including immigration. Witness:
— “On Tuesday, the Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI) released a poll showing that a full 72 percent of Americans believe that the economy is in a state of recession… And Wednesday, Bloomberg News released a poll showing that a full 34 percent of Americans mistakenly believe the unemployment rate is now worse than it was when Obama took office, right after the economic collapse had already sucked up millions of jobs. For Republicans, that figure is 53 percent — a majority.” (Washington Post)
— “A study published Thursday by the Pew Research Center said a desire to reunite families is the primary reason Mexicans go home.
A sluggish U.S. recovery from the Great Recession also contributed. Pew found that slightly more than one million Mexicans and their families, including American-born children, left the U.S. for Mexico from 2009 to 2014. During the same time, 870,000 Mexicans entered the U.S., resulting in a net flow to Mexico of 140,000. A half-century of mass migration from Mexico is “at an end,” said Mark Hugo Lopez, Pew’s director of Hispanic research.” (National Post)
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The Republican Party of Honest Abe died along time ago.
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I can with conviction and consistency say that I’ve always disliked or despised Donald Trump, depending on circumstances. Like many Canadians I like to follow USA politics but this certainly hasn’t been a good year to do so. One must hope that the God who guards the Republic will shake things out when the campaign climaxes next year. On the matter itself, I do not think you can in one sentence propose something so obviously contrary to the USA constitution. It is the kind of thing that the USA Supreme Court likes to stomp all over.
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I think…okay, make that hope…that when a dozen or so of the other contenders pull out of the race, their supporters will consolidate around anyone but Trump.
That Trump is still in this race, and leading his rivals, tells one just how fed up a great many people are with the status quo in American politics.
That Hilary Clinton and (self-declared socialist) Bernie Sanders are the options among Democrats, tells one just how much right a great many have to fed up with the status quo.
The likes of Lincoln, FDR, and Reagan must be pretty much spinning in their graves right about now.
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Anyone but Trump? You don’t think Carson is equally as whackadoodle as Trump?
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I’ll leave it to the GOP to sort out whom is best to stop Trump. Whomever that turns out to be, still couldn’t be any worse than Clinton or, God forbid, Sanders!
And Scott, why don’t you just STFU for a change, okay? The next contribution you make to this forum demonstrating an IQ anywhere north of at least 60 will be your first.
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I see Mr. Trump and Mr. Sanders as flip sides of the same coin. Both are outside of the mainstream in their thinking and both are much more popular than I would have expected.
A large chunk of American society is tired of the status quo and that is demonstrated by the fact these two men are still very competitive in their respective races.
Mind you it is still very early in the American election cycle so we will have to wait to see where the two of them wind up in the end.
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There isn’t a Republican candidate who should be within a 3 wood of the White House. If the Democrats have any sense they’ll nominate Bernie. He’s what the US needs.
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We democratically elected Justin Trudeau as PM …. so why shouldn’t the Americans have the democratic right to elect POTUS Donald Trump ?
Democracy is never wrong…. easily misguided, but never wrong …….
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Thanks for the civics lesson, Grandpa.
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So you would vote for “socialist” Bernie if you were an American?
I bet you strategically voted Liberal rather than staying faithful to your “socialist” NDP… and decimating the NDP to third party status… just to get rid of Harper.
IOW, your hatred of Harper was greater than your loyalty to “socialist” NDP!
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The problem is not democracy. The problem is Bush stealing the White House with his band of Supremes, Harpe’s party and his minions cheating.
Lots can go wrong. With what Trump’s been saying, he’s not a fan of democracy or the US Constitution.
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*Harper
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I had a number of close family members who went to their graves with numbers tattooed on their arms. They never ever talked to me about their experiences in concentration camps when I was a little kid but the more I learned as I got older, mostly from history books and others who told me their stories after they had passed away, the more I realized that there was true evil in this world.
Sadly, there still is and we must be vigilant and vocal to make sure it never escapes the spotlight.
One hopes that the RW billionaires like the Koch brothers and Sheldon Adelson, himself a Zionist, heavily pro Israel Jew, who are largely funding these American wanna-be fascists can see where this virulent anti-Muslim rhetoric is quickly heading.
Anne Frank was killed in a concentration camp after years of hiding in an attic because her family was denied entry to the US as refugees. Those politicians and bureaucrats that denied her family and others the chance to be safe deserve a special place in hell.
Trump and his fellow GOP presidential nominees may have already bought their tickets to that same place and are just waiting for it to be stamped.
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There is precedence for stupid Presidential candidates in Western countries. France, in 2002 had a choice between reelecting Jacques Chirac or voting in the neoNazi Jean Marie Le Pen who had garnered more votes than the inept socialist Lionel Jospin in the first round.
Why not Trump then? In US primary politics, Republicans run right, Democrats run left, then both Presidential candidates tack to the centre to get elected. Usually. but not always.
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As previously posted:
Donald Trump blasts Obama for letting in Syrian refugees
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBOtfcSpa1M
Will this attack on Obama gain popularity for the Donald Doofus?
– See more at: http://warrenkinsella.com/2015/11/another-reason-i-love-barack-obama/#sthash.sVlLpjuC.dpuf
First Mexicans and now Muslims and who is next?!
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Us. maybe we will “need a wall”.
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wall is good. might get to keep our water
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Warren, some well informed comments on your site, found myself looking for looking for “retweet”. Thank-you for permission to go after Trump : ) Today I posted an image of a Squirrel on Flickr as a Trump supporter. The Squirrel had her tail over her head so it looked like a weave. Seriously I did not think Trump was/is a serious candidate. I seem to have been wrong. Trump has made it way too far in the Primaries. I am 1/2 American (my relatives are Republicans) so I have heard the ideological racism/sexism/classism myself from my American Family members in the past. If the dems. do not win America will become even more Fascist. Vetting should have left Trump out?
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Its honestly like Republicans forgot that the last century happened at all.
It really doesn’t surprise me that Trump said this. I mean, really. He’s a fucking idiot that Americans (including Republicans) have afforded way, way too much time to. Everyone thought our election got silly with the whole pee-in-the-mug situation but American politics is comparatively in a 24/7 lunacy cycle of mug-pissing.
I make it an effort to avoid American politics. I’m constantly aghast at the idea that someone like Ted Cruz is a viable presidential nominee for the GOP and that there are actually hordes (not whores) of people who actually support Donald Trump’s caricature of an SNL bit.
Worse yet, there are plenty of people who would get behind this “identify a Muslim” program in a snap of a finger.
Thank god I live in Canada.
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I just don’t know what to say…
http://www.npr.org/2015/11/19/456502693/tennessee-lawmaker-calls-for-national-guard-to-round-up-syrian-refugees
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Warren,
Trump. The dumb down equation at work…
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Sadly, this is the direction of many in the US
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well, he’s an idiot. I think we can all agree on that.
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For all the frothing on the progressive side about Trump, half of the reason for his position in the polls is the exact same as our PM – Celebrity. It’s the reality TV factor. It’s the same reason Hilary is leading for the Democrats. The media drive this because it sells newspapers and viewers. They’re not boring – witness how much ink has been spilled over Trump’s latest silliness. Voters have tuned out so name recognition drives polls. Celebrity works. I suspect that if Martin Sheen joined the Democratic race, he’d win in a landslide. Same for the Frank Underwood version of Kevin Spacey.
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Jesus. You don’t know much about politics, do you?
Are you comparing Donald Trump with Kevin Spacey?
Because Trump doesn’t have a tenth of the talent or integrity that Spacey has. So, no. It’s not just about “celebrity factor”. That’s an incredible over-simplification of what’s actually happening.
Consider that Hillary Clinton has been on TV for almost 2 decades in some capacity, and she’s still struggling to compete with Bernie Sanders. Or that Jeb Bush has so much name cache and is getting his ass kicked in by Trump.
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ZOOM!!! Right over your head. Hilary might have been in politics for a while but her first elected position was senator when Bush beat Gore. The ONLY reason she won that was because of her celebrity. The only reason it’s even close with Saunders and her (beyond the fact that he’s so far left he could be a dipper) is her celebrity. I wasn’t comparing Spacey to Trump policies or even as candidates. My point was that even evil Frank Underwood would be high in the polls right now because people know him from Netflix. People are getting calls from pollsters with -2 unknown candidates and a few recognizable names like Clinton, Bush, Trump. Of course they are going to score high. You might want to be a bit careful of accusing someone of knowing nothing about politics there Junior.
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I don’t know. Is Donald Trump acting? I don’t think he actually believes most of what he says.
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a salesman, he believes his lies for the few seconds it takes to utter them
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/donald-trump-u-s-presidential-race-muslim-database-1.3327709
Shark, jumped.
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I’m not going to dump on the Americans and their political choices. We just elected a part time substitute drama teacher. I was talking to friends in Europe and they are getting an huge laugh out of our choice.
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I’m take a part time substitute drama teacher over a modern day fascist.
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or a so-called “economist with an MA from The Calgary School ™.
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This will be very important when it comes time for those Europeans to vote in Canadian elections.
I’ve seen a lot of alleged objective justification to oppose Trudeau. If polls don’t convince anyone of anything, what I hell is the purpose for this idiotic comment?
Warren’s ‘web site’ is usually pretty well informed. That any Joe can post to it is a testament to Warren’s tolerance. She sure has more patience for the illogic than I.
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So how do we define a Muslim anyway, Donald? Birth? Belief?
Like one of my dad’s friends is Muslim and his wife is Jewish. If they had kids I know they’d be Jewish under Jewish law, but what about Trump’s law? What if those kids married Christians and had kids? Or married agnostics? Is it like in the old South, where it’s less than one-eighth Muslim before you’re a human being?
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I’m sure the Nuremberg Laws could provide some useful guidance.
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Exactly!
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What this latest great idea from Trump means is that if he has his way (and that of the sub humans who support him) American muslims are going to be going around with yellow crescents sown on their clothing, at least until the striped pyjamas are ready. As Huey Long said, when fascism comes to America it will come wrapped in the flag.
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This move by The Donald is one that invites actually legitimate Nazi and Hitler comparisons. Go Team Donald.
People are getting absolutely fucked in the head over the refugees and related issues right about now. I have spent most of my day attempting to counter bigotry quasi-bigotry on Facebook. What a waste of a day this has been. Social media… What is the point?
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While Trump is truly worthy of mockery, so was Rob Ford. Here in Toronto, one of the most multi-cultural cities in the world, a place where tolerance is a hallmark, Rob Ford built a strong plurality on the same buffoonery. You know, there is a way to power for someone like him. It may be possible for Trump to get elected. After this, every blue collar voter in the States will remember what Trump said, and if we can judge by Rob Ford, they will vote loyally for their bro. Crazy eh?