11.07.2016 08:26 AM

That Ontario poll

Quito Maggi and his team do very good work, number one. And, number two, he has a long pedigree as a partisan Liberal, so nobody can accuse of him of being another party’s shill with this bomb blast:

If an election were held today, the Ontario Liberal party would plummet from majority government to third place, a poll released Monday suggests.

The Mainstreet poll for Postmedia is full of bad news for Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne: 67 per cent of respondents disapprove of the job she’s doing and 58 per cent want her to resign.

Of the 2,524 people surveyed by phone on Nov. 2, 19 per cent support the Liberals, down from 21 per cent when the last Mainstreet/Postmedia poll was conducted on Sept. 17-18. The Progressive Conservatives increased their lead by one point to 36 per cent. The New Democrats saw the biggest shift, with a three-point jump to 21 per cent, while the Green party held steady at five per cent.

“This is the first time in our polling history that we’ve seen the Liberals in third across Ontario,” said Quito Maggi, Mainstreet’s chief executive.

If in any way accurate, this is obviously brutal for Ontario Liberals. But here’s a few things to keep in mind about Team Red:

That all said, Quito’s poll is, as noted, simply brutal.  Three things: one, Patrick Brown may have a gaggle of candidates who left plenty to be desired – here and here – but he clearly wants to jettison the social conservative whack jobs, and he has attracted more minorities to his party than any PC leader in my lifetime.  Two, Andrea Horwath, is clearly doing something right, if she is in second place, and the Grits aren’t.  Three, Justin Trudeau floated all Liberal boats – but that no longer seems to be the case in Ontario.

It would have taken a lot, today, to shift my laser-like focus on tomorrow’s U.S. vote.

This poll did that.


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    harvey bushell says:

    So, PC minority or majority gov’t if the election were held today? Would Horvath support the PC’s if push came to shove?

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    godot10 says:

    Scandals are one thing. The obscene electricity bills for ordinary Ontarians while the Bay Street friends of the Ontario Liberal Party make excessive windfall profits for decades into the future for their alternative energy projects despoiling the rural Ontario environment are another.

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      doconnor says:

      Ontario has already made a lot of the secrifices necassary to reduce its greenhouse gas emission from its electricty sector. The other (non-hydro) provinces and states will have to go through some thing.

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        godot10 says:

        One can go green without selling out ordinary Ontarians to guarantee obscene profits for decades for the Liberals Bay Street friends.

        Butts-o-nomics, the selling out of ordinary Ontarians to the 1%’ers, is now going national, with Trudeau, Mourneau, and Butts selling out ordinary Canadians with their Infrastructure Privatization Bank, where Canadian infrastructure assets will be sold off to global 1%’ers, and Canadians will be left with large user fee and tolls (rentier streams to the global elites), like the huge electricity rates in Ontario.

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    BlueGritr says:

    Kathleen Wynne is a crafty, skilled politician, who should not be discounted; I’m sure the Ontario Conservatives have finally learned not to take her and her strategy team lightly. That said, I beg to differ as it concerns her cabinet bench strength. No real business Liberals in sight. (Sousa is a lightweight.) The only true cabinet star: Deb Matthews. Hoping Sandra Pupatello can be persuaded to lead the party should Ms. Wynne decide to step down.

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    BillBC says:

    “Her all-in-one Chief of Staff and Principal Secretary Andrew Bevan, for example, is one of the most capable and decent guys I’ve ever met in politics, at any level.”

    –then why is he working for Wynne? Shouldn’t doing so make him feel dirty?

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    doconnor says:

    You know the old saying, “The most important thing in politics is sincerity. If you can fake that, you got it made.”

    Brown’s problem he is really bad a faking that.

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    The Doctor says:

    In Ontario, as is the case federally, arrogance is the Liberals’ kryptonite. And Wynne and her crew have been oozing arrogance for quite a while now. Smiting the Mighty (Mouse) Tim Hudak has given them a rather inflated view of themselves and their gifts.

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    Ron says:

    Social conservative whack jobs like Sam Oosterhoff ? Brown is stuck with him.

    André Marin ? The man is a seeker and a carpetbagger. He’s perfect.

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    Robert Viera says:

    Would Patrick Brown have jettisoned the social conservatives if the media hadn’t caught him pandering to them on the Friday before the by-election vote? I doubt it. The PCs need a leader who knows what the right thing to do is, and doesn’t just do the right thing after getting caught doing the wrong thing.

    Likewise, Brown’s 11th hour support for a price on carbon comes with little credibility after Brown spent nearly a decade helping Stephen Harper undermine efforts by other levels of government to transition us away from fossil fuels.

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    bluegreenblogger says:

    I like the Liberal Party, and am content to give them my vote maybe half the time. But Wynne just turned a corner. Just too many allegations of sleaze, that are credible. There will be no refresh for Ontario Liberals if people like me turn their backs. Someone else will get my vote the next time.

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