02.14.2020 09:48 AM

Fifteen years ago this week!

Fore!

12 Comments

  1. the real Sean says:

    In politics there are city councilors, mayors, MPs, some successful, some not. Some even make it into cabinet. Some become leader and even PM and hang around for a while. They are in an elite league. And then there was petit gars, completely in a league of his own.

  2. Only one of Chrétien’s many holes in one.

  3. ABB says:

    Remind me again, can’t recall what the details were. Was this something in comparison with Mulroney???

  4. PJH says:

    I wonder how M. Chretien would have addressed the current crisis with railways blockades?…..I suspect he would have talked softly and carried a big stick, and after a decent length of time, had those illegal protestors frog marched off railway right of ways…..Meanwhile the Dauphin offers up soporifics from distant lands…thinking that a seat on the security council is more important than caring about the damage done to the Canadian economy…..

    • Ronald O'Dowd says:

      First off, so glad Scheer is on his way out because his comments illustrate that he remains a political idiot. That being said, this is an incredibly serious economic problem that must be urgently addressed.

      Problem is that the SCOC is fundamentally wrong. Formal consultation, for the sake of consultation, is not sufficient in most scenarios. Traditional First Nations lands are exactly that and heaven and earth must be moved on each occasion to obtain their consent. It won’t work in every case but if FNs can become legitimate economic stakeholders, with financial advantages comparable to royalty payments, then we could finally see more pipelines and access to tidewater. FNs need to be true PARTNERS in all projects that potentially cross their traditional lands. Period.

      • Fred from BC says:

        “FNs need to be true PARTNERS in all projects that potentially cross their traditional lands. Period.”

        And they are, Ronald. The current protests are the result of only four (I think) ‘hereditary chiefs’ out of about twelve or thirteen opposing the project for their own selfish ends; two of them had just been defeated in an election, where the vast majority of the bands were *in favor* of the pipeline expansion, not opposed, and cast their votes accordingly. The native bands concerned, you see, stand to gain 300 MILLION + dollars for allowing the extra pipeline to be built on their land, and another 600 MILLION + for construction and employment during the expansion. That’s not chicken feed…and the rebel ‘chiefs’ aided and abetted by a bunch of clueless protesters (who have taken to calling themselves “land defenders”, and truly believe they are actually acting heroically) and not-so-clueless professional eco-agitators (who are callously using this issue to advance their own anti-oil agenda, as if a victory here could possibly make any difference…pipeline or rail, what’s your choice?) are in fact standing in the way of economic advancement for their people.

        And then there are all the other native bands across Canada who have also approved this expansion and are also being stymied by a handful of disgruntled people with some kind of axe to grind. I don’t know exactly what they want, and I don’t care; this needs to end, and quickly.

        • PJH says:

          I wonder Fred from BC, aside from the reasons you mentioned, if there are other outside forces at work, who dont want to see BC LNG ever reach market. I’m thinking any number of countries with burgeoning LNG production that see BC LNG cutting in on their action. I am sure many of those “protestors” are not protesting out of the goodness od their hearts. It would be interesting to know who is paying them, and how much.

          • Fred from BC says:

            That’s actually a pretty good observation, and one that I haven’t seen mentioned anywhere else. I mean, we all know there are a whole bunch of professional protesters involved here, and we know they are paid…but by whom? I always assumed it was just the usual suspects (environmental groups) at work, but you could well be right. I wonder if the RCMP or CSIS are looking at the possibility?

          • Ronald O'Dowd says:

            Fred,

            I don’t know about that. Personally, I wouldn’t go too far out into the Twilight Zone lest someone feel the need to replay for me Obama’s mocking speech directed at Trump, while he was in the room.

  5. Gilbert says:

    We need to stop the idea of traditional land and accept that Canada is for all Canadians. The prime minister of Romania doesn’t say that Transylvania is the traditional land of the Hungarians, the chancellor of Germany doesn’t say Schleswig-Holstein is the traditional land of Denmark, the president of France doesn’t say that Alsace-Lorraine is the traditional land of Germany, etc.

  6. Ronald O'Dowd says:

    In my book, when you steal a whole country outright from those who were here before Vikings or Europeans, then yes, you’ve more than earned the right to talk in terms of your traditional lands.

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