— Musings —09.19.2020 09:21 AM
Shorter version: figuratively step on their metaphorical necks until the day after the election
The big difference between Trump conservatives and anti-Trump progressives is the latter have boundaries and the former don’t. The big reason Trump conservatives keep beating anti-Trump progressives is the latter keep hoping the former will change. They won’t.
— Warren Kinsella (@kinsellawarren) September 19, 2020
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I see one side rioting, looting, beating people up, even killing people in the streets….and it ain’t the latter. I don’t think Andy Ngo would agree that ANTIFA have boundaries.
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Your right wing brethren do the killing. Three dead in the streets lately as opposed to one so called lefty who shot an asshole militia guy who was pepper spraying him.
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So are you saying every left-wing person in the US is a member of ANTIFA?
Are you saying every supporter of the US Democratic Party is a member of ANTIFA?
Are you saying every US Democrat supports rioting, looting, beating people up and killing people in the streets?
If so, I’d sure like you to produce some actual evidence of that, you know, like a reliable poll or something.
Especially given that Joe Biden has expressly condemned rioting, looting, beating people up and killing people in the streets.
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You know one million times more about this than me but with that said, I would argue that the best war room is the one with no boundaries, especially those that are skillful enough never to leave bread crumbs in their wake.
To Biden I say: go for the gusto in this race — whatever and however it takes to win — nothing is more important on God’s Green Earth than forfeiting another Trump White House win.
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I see they announced first thing this morning that Biden is unavailable today. Not really a great sense of timing on that guys…
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Really? I would have said that the big difference is that self identified conservatives are 40 % of the population in the US and self identified progressives are 7 or 8 %.
They may be over represented in the media.. which doesn’t seem to have much of an issue with rules when it comes to Trump… but they are no where close to representing majority opinion in the US even if they scream loud and long enough that you might think thats the case.
They keep it up for another couple of election cycles and the Dems will be as relavnt as the Greens here in Canada are.
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Liberals or progressives are 35% of the electorate in the US.
Conservative are 37%. The balance are moderate, who by and large lean to the left. Not sure where you get your numbers but mine come from Gallup. You will notice that 37% plus a few % of the moderates equal Trumps approval rating.
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YAC,
My contention would be that a large cohert of Americans identify as either moderate or independent. But I agree that Conservatives are still by far the largest group, even in a DOA American economy in 2020.
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Like William pointed out, liberals and conservatives are statistically tied a a percentage of the U.S. electorate. Moderates and independents are much lower, but they swing elections.
And I can vouch that violent protests are pushing many of them into reluctant Trump supporters. What is even more troubling is that many moderates and independents are dropping out of public political discourse since they find both left and right have become too radicalized.
My suspicion is that we will see Trump reelected president, but with Democrats gaining in the House of Representatives, while the Senate emerges a virtual tie.
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I was specifically referring to progressives who are increasingly parting ways with classic liberals via capture by Woke ideology .
Our host specifically refers to Progressives in his comment so once again I say people who declare themselves Progressives are 7 to 8 percent of the voting populace in the US.
and @Ronald I believe the largest single block of eligible voters was, is and will probably remain the non-voters.
Now that Trump seems to have done in the Reagan conservative and libertarian wings of the GOP at this stage I can seem the Republicans moving left on economics before I can see the Democrats moving right socially.
An economically moderately left leaning, moderately social conservative party would run the board in the US for some time to come. I don’t think that will be a Trump lead GOP but I can see it coming in two or three election cycles after a decade of crap like we have going on now.
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Mark,
I’m not up to date about the second round of stimulus cheques. If it’s rolling out smoothly and pretty much across the board as regards the states, that surely helps Trump. Now, as to the Senate and House: if I was an American who was suffering financially, I would want a Republican House and Democratic Senate to throw out everyone who’s part of the majority leadership in both chambers. That would teach them a lesson they would never forget. Put America first in a crisis. After all, they and only they are constitutionally mandated to finance such efforts. Going by Executive Order is undoubtedly unconstitutional but no one on the ground gives a shit about the legal niceties. They are just desperate for the money and will more than likely reward Trump for moving the needle.
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The polarization between the two sides hasn’t helped matters; it has only made them worse. I hear lots of invective about President Trump’s supporters, but I hear very little about listening to their concerns. Maybe if the progressives weren’t so self-righteous they could learn a thing or two. A good politician will try and find middle ground and appeal to a broad base of people. I’m not a Trump supporter, but as I have said before, he is not the disease, he is a symptom. Unless you address the disease, things will not get better.
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To be honest, when I look at the people at a Trump rally, these are not people I would want to find middle ground with.
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You mean the people who cheered at Trump’s rally this weekend when he referred to shooting a journalist as “a beautiful thing”?
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Doc,
People who reach that level of biased partisanship need psychoanalytical help, be they Republicans, Democrats or anything else. It’s way beyond pathetic.
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Very true. Malevolent lunatics are not representative of either of the main stream parties.
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EB, you realize it’s TRUMP who made the comment that shooting a journalist was a “beautiful thing”, and his supporters who cheered it? Doesn’t that mean that the President, and the candidate for President of the Republican Party, is a malevolent lunatic? Seems to me that if you’re the Republican Party, and the President is Republican, then he is representative of your party, isn’t he?
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It’s not just the people at the rally who got President Trump elected; it’s the people who have been taken advantage of and overlooked by the 1%, who then voted against the status quo in 2016. Those are the ones that the Dems need to reach out to. I like what I see (at least so far) in the economic policies Presidential Candidate Biden has in his platform, but I’m still waiting for him to take on Wall Street, which is crucial.
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I agree with you that Trump’s base alone did not get him elected and will not get him re-elected. He needs to reach out to moderate Republicans whom he has alienated with his behaviour and those few independents and swing voters who are persuadable (and most experts think that’s a very small number).
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ER,
Biden won’t. Every single president since Clinton has been a willing accomplice of crony capitalism. Biden certainly won’t be any different. There is no hope for the United States. Their system of government is corrupt to the core.
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I’d have made countless arguments that both the left and the right in the USA re how to put it politely? Sounds sort of like Firetrucked.
But and it’s a big but, Trump is neither a conservative or a Republican he is a con-man that has swindled the party of Abraham Lincoln.
He will stop at nothing, he has begun the process of delegitimizing the election months before it happens. His narrative is similar to the leader of Belarus.
Partisanship has run amok in American politics. But this is not that. It is pure evil. The president of the USA should not be provoking a civil war, he should be combatting it with all his energy.
It’s time to ponder the possibility the great Republic will join Rome if he gets re-elected. It may be great if it only joins the British Empire and the once powerful Spanish kingdom in a decline of relevance.
Democracy is a pretty cool thing I hope the fool in Oval Office doesn’t watch over its funeral procession.
Conservatism and Liberalism have come together many times in our nation. I hope dearly true patriots in both parties can heal our big brother to the south.
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The problem with Joe Biden’s campaign is that he has few events, little energy and little enthussiasm. I was surprised to see him speak with a mask in a nearly empty room. If I were a Democrat, I wouldn’t feel inspired. He’s definitely not in his prime.
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Democrats wouldn’t be inspired by large maskless rallies. They would be disgusted that he is putting lives at risk.
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Electing Biden in the USA is equivalent to electing Trudeau in Canada. All virtue signaling – no rational thought.
Only the cult members can support either of them – nobody of logic would.
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And people of logic wouldn’t see that utter irrationality and extreme threat to democracy that Trump is?