Musings —12.19.2022 08:07 AM
—Canadians to Skinny Trump: we hate you
"One-in-three (33%) view Poilievre favourably, while more than half (54%) hold a negative view. These levels of unfavourable sentiment are much higher than those of previous leaders Andrew Scheer, Erin O’Toole, and Stephen Harper." #cdnpoli #cpc https://t.co/HmxmtqKgTc
— Warren Kinsella (@kinsellawarren) December 19, 2022
aren’t they about what Stephen Harper’s numbers were in the Fall of 2005? Am I wrong? Pretty sure Harper’s were even worse.
“54% view CPC leader unfavourably, twice the number who said same of Harper at similar point in reign” Click first, comment later.
Hi Daryl. I wasn’t comparing the months shortly after Harper became leader. I was asking specifically about the Fall of 2005 (which is obviously not a similar point in rein as you put it). At this stage, Harper had already lost an election, his poll numbers were a disaster and and there were serious public calls from within his party to resign. Everyone though he was a dead man walking… Eight weeks before he won.
Canada does not take to weasels, it would seem, especially brylcreemed ones…..
Bon Appetit, Cons….
poking fun at Stephen Harper’s hair worked so well…..
Well the MSM hates him (especially the CBC), but he isn’t doing himself any favours by a boycott either. I suspect he is gambling that JT waits until 2024 to call an election, and the public is distracted by the latest new shiny object. I think Justin will pull the plug sooner, but I guess we will see. In any event, Merry Christmas to the gracious host and to all the familiar posters.
EHWAL,
Same to you and yours.
Right(on the MSM)-it is a wonder his polls are that good.
Warren,
This isn’t rocket science: if he listens to you, Doc and the rest of us, he wins. If he doesn’t, well, then it’ll be time to buy Poilièvre Puts on the Options Market. What can I say. You know, the part about 85% of the options…
It’s funny, if you think about it Trump won his first ever political election, beating establishment politicians and defying the polls and political pundits in the process. Trump was never convicted of a crime, unlike our political leader who was found guilty TWICE. Also, Trump never wore blackface, so there’s that.
It’s also interesting that you cite an opinion poll. Haven’t we learned the lesson about the accuracy of opinion polls yet?
You sound like you’re trying to convince yourself.
The polls in the 2016 election were actually bang on, predicting a slim plurality in total votes for Hillary Clinton… which, as we all know, is exactly what happened. No polls were defied. The polling data was affirmed as being quite consistent and accurate.
Pierre and his fellow Calgarian Danielle Smith seem not to recognize that this is not America; you can’t win appealing just to a small segment of passionate supporters (and winning with partisan gerrymandering and the electoral college). Canadians (whatever their political leanings) are not as partisan (most don’t follow politics outside of the last week of elections) and don’t hate their fellow Canadians like Americans hate their fellow Americans and they don’t view things as zero-sum propositions. Peter MacKay or Rona Ambrose would’ve been the best leader.
Around 30%-the hard core JT cultists are actually very partisan and couldn’t care less how clearly incompetent he is. They are no different than the MAGA types and the Laurentian Elite are riding them hard to their actual detriment. And you don’t need that much more than that to get at least a minority. You aren’t paying attention to what PP is actually saying but to be fair, none of it is being reported as this poll clearly indicates.
Martin,
I pay plenty of attention to PP and Danielle Smith as well in the province where I live.
If you have to choose between JT and PP how will you vote?
Like many, I don’t care for either of them, or their purported programs.
To me it’s setting up as a ballot question. Yuck.
May 2023 in Alberta will be the first test for their brand of politics.
I take JT as the least harmful of those two, and I’m guessing I will vote NDP for the first time in my life, unless the Alberta Party gets its shit together.
Signed,
Ted, the Average Canadian Albertan. (please note the order of the words)
Ha Ted-should be pretty clear! As I always have said, JT would be behind the NDP and the Tories if it were a ranked ballot, no matter who was at the helm basically. Period full stop. I am not anti Liberal. I have voted for them on a few occasions. Jane Stewart being one. I am just sick of our embarrassment of a PM.
Martin,
We should start a club. Me too. I’m so sick of Mr. Phoney-BaloneyTM, it actually makes me miss Harper, my previous political foe. As much as I disliked Harper, it was never to this extent. I simply can’t believe how voting Canadians continue to buy this guy’s BS. The mind quite simply boggles.
I’m not a Trudeau supporter by any stretch of the imagination but I don’t think the Liberals have a core base in the same way the Conservatives do. You have to remember, less than a decade ago, the Liberal Party had the third most seats in the House of Commons. This is probably also due to the fact that If there was a core base for a left/centre-left party, it would probably approximate what the NDP currently is. Because there is only one major centre-right party in Canada, the base of the CPC plays a much larger role than that of the LPC. In fact, Trudeau knows to win he has to appeal to non-LPC partisans since there are simply not enough of them to win. And, yes, I’ve followed Mr. Poiliever’s career for the past decade and a half. I know he wrote an essay that he was only going to serve two terms; I know, like his predecessor Andrew Scheer, he lambasts the elite and big government while ostensibly never really having worked outside of the public sector. I know what he said about indigenous Canadians in the wake of the residential school apology; and him subsequently being the only major party leader out of the big three to not show up in person to speak to, listen, and answer questions from the Assembly of First Nations at their recent national convention. Again, I like many non-card carrying Canadians who’ve voted for all four parties at all levels of government, would not be sad to see the back of Trudeau, the CPC could’ve done better than Pierre. Look at Doug Ford for example, who has ditched the ideologies to run as a natural governing party that appeals to people from all party backgrounds and walks of life. That’s why he won re-election so handily. Again, Rona Ambrose (double majored in women’s studies and environmental studies, is an Albertan with a libertarian bent) would’ve wiped the floor with Trudeau as would Peter MacKay.
I think they do now. The JT cult. Would have loved for Rona to have broken her promise and run. Encouraged her through proxies although I am sure the media would have made a big deal about the broken promise and I am sure we would all be shocked at how they would go after her. If the public sector carries on with their current silly fight about popping into the office once in a while(I hope they do) then the public sector needs to be lambasted. Not to mention that not having accomplished ANYTHING of any substance is no longer a barrier to admission.
Arron,
Rona will never run, ever. Why? In one word: hubby. As for Peter ever running again, I’ll believe it when I see it. The Charest Thumping was a very painful teaching moment for right-of-centre moderate Conservatives. I doubt MacKay will want to waste his time the way Charest did. We could lose ten elections in a row and much of the base will never learn a single thing. But that’s THEIR problem, not mine. As for Pierre, I really don’t see him going into an election with a platform that does not help him to win. Plus, he won’t be all over the place like our former phoney, O’Toole.
“I’ve followed Mr. Poiliever’s career for the past decade and a half. I know he wrote an essay that he was only going to serve two terms”
Reasonably funny if anyone actually thinks that is a disqualifier. Was reminded of this this morning on Meet The Press:
https://www.nbcnews.com/video/mtp-remembers-sen-obama-in-06-i-wont-run-for-president-130042947833
Flat out lie. Didn’t even use weasel words like they usually do. Emphatic no. Of course, the usual suspects gave him a pass as they are not up here for PP. I was going to leave other parts of your post apart alone other than the public sector stuff but here goes. If you have been following his career, you know he was punished for those indigenous statements. He paid a price. Do you honestly think he could have shown up at that AFN thing? Who knows, maybe there are some back channel things going on. That would be the smart thing to do and he is not stupid. We had a mayor do that under the radar when he was licking his wounds after a crazy close election loss(15 votes) when he didn’t show up for a Remembrance day thing. Back channels to the local vets. Didn’t find out about it for years. Not so much our current PM for his various and sundry foibles beginning with the Kokanee Grope as far as paying a price goes. Pass after ridiculous pass. Too many to list.
And Merry Christmas everyone!
How many Canadians have a negative view of the prime minister? Pierre Poilievre has time to increase his support, and I believe he will.
Gilbert,
This Prime Minister has finally passed his Best Before Date. But policy will call the tune and determine who wins. This isn’t news for Poilièvre. With inflation and a bad economy, we should be building serious momentum in the polls. We’re not there yet. So it will take pragmatic and innovative policy to push us forward into a healthy and consistent lead.
On the bright side, of course(I am a glass half full kind of guy), the comedy relief this bunch provides is gold.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/rex-murphy-on-the-first-day-of-christmas-trudeau-shrugged-off-yet-another-ethics-scandal/ar-AA15xixj?li=AAggNb9
And it sounds to me like Amanda Alvaro poses no threat to The Daisy Group. Shouldn’t she have seen the shit Mary Ng would face with the contract?
Martin,
Trudeau Liberals are supposed to automatically get a pass from the divine. It’s in their contract with God…makes me so nostalgic for WEC and countless other gems. But hey, it’s “only” taxpayers’ money.