06.14.2012 11:48 AM

Byline, June 13: Trudeau, and human rights – both divine?


Lilley attempts to engage me in debate, but I remain distracted by the giant wax figure of Trudeau at St. Lawrence College.

33 Comments

  1. crush says:

    Even Pierre Trudeau’s opponents thought of him as an intellectual and an acclaimed lawyer.
    Justin Trudeau is just an inexperienced, flaky idiot who needs a goddamn haircut.
    Never judge a man by his family, his appearance, or the results of his cyberloafing on Twitter.

    • Jason King says:

      You should get those darn kids of your lawn with that rock n roll music too!

    • JamesHalifax says:

      Hey….I don’t necessarily disagree that he’s flaky, and he may well be an idiot…..

      But having long hair is not always indicative that these are related traits. (former long hair dude)

    • you may have had something if you replaced ‘Justin Trudeau’ with ‘W’.

      instead it’s just coming across as mean.

  2. william smith says:

    I hope Justin runs just to see the hate that is going to be spewed upon him, let’s identify the haters and show them up for what they are! BTW I know he can handle all that comes at him

  3. Mark says:

    Trudeau the younger reminds me of former BC Premier Bill Vander Zalm in one way. “Style without substance is a dangerous thing”. Trudeau is young, admittedly, but he has not done enough to convince me he has the gravitas to do anything more than win the Liberal leadership. I’m thinking that both Harper and Mulcair will eat his lunch.

    • MississaugaLibPeter says:

      And what were Harper’s great accomplishments prior to becoming leader of the Conservatives?

      Checked Wikipedia, to remind me of his incredible accomplishments. “Harper then enrolled at the University of Toronto but dropped out after two months.[6] He then moved to Edmonton, Alberta, where he found work in the mail room at Imperial Oil.[6] Later, he advanced to work on the company’s computer systems.”

  4. Dude Love says:

    Seasoned politicians (of every political stripe) will eat him for lunch.

    Can someone bring John Manley back?

    • Tim Sullivan says:

      No one has yet.

    • que sera sera says:

      And like the much-ballyhooed Brazeau, I suspect they’ll choke.

      • Dude Love says:

        Canadians will really want a 40 year old with less than 7 years (in 2015) of parliamentary experience as PM?

        • Eric says:

          I grudgingly defend the Dauphin, but our best Prime Minister was just 45 years old with barely one year of parliamentary experience when he became PM in 1984.

        • smelter rat says:

          How would that be worse than what we have now?

        • que sera sera says:

          As opposed to Harper, a 50 some year old mailroom boy whose path to the PMO was through electoral fraud and voter suppression? That’s the kind of “experience” Harper brought to Canadian democracy.

          Harper who preaches a daily diet of fear hate & divisiveness and supports “free” speech only if it is bought and paid for and endorsed by the Conservatives.

          No thanks. I suspect I’m not the only Canadian who wants someone as PM who believes as much in us and Canada as we do.

          I suspect Justin Trudeau is that person.

          • Jen says:

            You know, that’s exactly it – I want someone who believes in Canada. Not some fraudulent PM who wants to dismantle Canada and turn it into something I don’t even recognize.

          • JamesHalifax says:

            Actually, Jen……harper felt the same way. After successive Liberal Governments, he didn’t recognize what Canada was becoming, so he got involved to seek the changes he wanted. Believe it or not, Harper wants a strong united Canada as much as you do, and he believes in Canada as much as you do……..he just has a different point of view of how to get there.

            If you don’t like the changes Harper is making, then it is your job to go out and vote accordingly. Given the results of the last few elections, it’s clear more people agreed with Harper’s view, than with your own. (insert: It’s not a REAL Majority line here)

    • Philip says:

      Why? What has Manley done lately?

  5. Jordan says:

    Trudeau should help LeBlanc get elected.

    Sadly Ted Hsu is alo out.

    • Mark says:

      Tsu is a fellow of great substance in my opinion, not to mention the only new Liberal MP. If he had more parliamentary experience, he would definitely be a contender.

  6. Realist says:

    The Liberal leadership campaign is shaping up to be a gong show of mammoth proportions.

    • Philip says:

      How so?

    • smelter rat says:

      You wish.

    • que sera sera says:

      I would be disappointed with anything less after watching the Harper government gong show of mammoth proportions.

      • Realist says:

        I don’t see any credible candidates on the horizon. I agree with Simpson’s column today. Despite all the Rae-hate here, I think he was the only plausible potential PM in the party. The party will fall over itself to congratulate itself on its renewal, and it will elect someone who won’t be able to do much to move the ball forward in 2015. What happens after that? Who knows? I would never count the party out completely, but I don’t see any quick way back from the wilderness.

        I’d be interested in some kind of alliance with the NDP, but I don’t see any real appetite for that in either party. Maybe after 2015.

        • The Doctor says:

          For the most part these days, Jeffrey Simpson is a tired old spent rocket. And besides, the Liberals don’t need a PM in waiting for a leader right now. We’re talking about a salvage/turnaround project here. We’re talking about not getting wiped out at the ballot box. Simpson completely misses that point. Electability AND getting noticed are the key attributes IMO — and that includes the ability to attract media attention, buzz, excitement. Rae scores a big fat zero on that count.

        • JamesHalifax says:

          Clearly, Simpson has been visiting Warren’s website, as I made the exact same comparison a week ago. (MP named SMith..instead of Trudeau)

    • JamesHalifax says:

      I wouldn’t call it a gong show. JT just has to wait the appropriate amount of time…..act torn and confused, and then regretfully announce the he’s going to sacrifice himself for the good of the country, and BREAK HIS WORD…..and throw his hat into the ring.

      OR>

      He’s going to realize it is a lost cause this time around….and sacrifice his buddy Dominic.

      Interesting times indeed.

  7. Philippe says:

    Anyone else notice the comparative board Sun TV puts up at about 2:55 comparing Justin to his Father? Sun TV write about Justin: Incomplete B. ENG, Incomplete Environmental Studies Degree, Ate Fancy Lunches as Katimavik Youth Program Chairman, One-Time Actor on CBC…

    “Ate fancy lunches” ?

    This isn’t media, it’s comedy.

  8. Pierre Trudeau spent his political apprenticeship in the wildnerness, as it were, which forged his leadership skills. He went against the grain, challenging the Duplessis regime, the church, etc., being blackballed by the establishment. Though an outstanding legal scholar, he was not allowed to teach law while Duplessis was alive. Highly suspicious of the Liberal Party, he co-founded the Rassemblement with Gérard Pelletier and Jacques Hébert in 1956, a coalition of progressive forces opposed to the Duplessis régime, bécoming its de facto leader — though he declined official leadership of the group (the legal scholar and poet F.R. Scott wrote a panegyric to Trudeau for his role in this process — “Fort Smith”: “Pierre, suddenly challenged … standing white against whitewater, firming foot against rock, a man testing his strength against the strength of his country.”

    Such is the stuff of great leaders.

    What has Justin opposed; what has he challenged? He was elected in a difficult Montreal riding, which wasn’t easy. But he’s a member of parliament with an establishment party that has lost all moral bearing and electoral relevance. At his age, his father would have been lobbing strong criticism at the Liberals, while Justin is defending their irrelevance.

    Justin has remarkable communication skills. But what else?

    • The Doctor says:

      Just a thought: Justin doesn’t have to be a clone of his father in order to be a viable leadership candidate for a 3rd place party.

      As for me, I’m quite happy that he’s not a clone of his father. He’s his own man. Different times call for different attributes.

  9. Geoffrey Laxton says:

    Justin Trudeau: Stephen Harper Doesn’t Believe in ‘Tikkun Olam’

    http://www.shalomlife.com/news/17378/justin-trudeau-stephen-harper-doesnt-believe-in-tikkun-olam/

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