12.01.2016 11:39 PM

By the numbers

New popular vote totals from AP:

• Clinton 65,124,828 (48.2%)

• Trump 62,652,263 (46.3%)

• Johnson 4,457,409 (3.3%)

• Stein 1,429,050 (1.1%)

 

34 Comments

  1. Matt says:

    Yes, but the only numbers that matter are Trump 306, Clinton 232.

    What can be done?

    • Marcus Anthony says:

      The Democrats can listen to Warren’s maxim next time: “Campaigns Matter.”

      One hopes they won’t make the same mistakes in four years.

  2. Al in Cranbrook says:

    Yeah, but…

    http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2016/countymaprb1024.png (by county)

    That’s a helluva lot of Republican red happening.

    Speaks volumes, if one wants to listen.

    • Kev says:

      Yeah but what?

      Acres of land don’t vote.

      • Charlie says:

        Good. God.

        This has to be the saddest display of basic intelligence and the extent of willingness (or, lack thereof) of Trump supporters to dig beyond their initial perceptions.

        I can’t even understand how the concept of urban population density and rural population sparsity is completely lost on some people.

        Here’s some better images:

        http://www.citylab.com/politics/2016/12/mapping-how-americas-metro-areas-voted/508313/

        Note: Not as much “Republican red” happening when you don’t paint the acres of boonies red.

        • Al in Cranbrook says:

          Well, first off, anyone who has followed my posts knows I’m not a “Trump supporter”. And I am certainly a helluva lot less of a Clinton/Democrat fan!

          Last number I saw, Trump won 62% of the “rural” vote…which, I suspect, to a lot of liberal types may equate to “country rubes” ballots. You know, not s’phisticated like city dwellers, eh?

          Given the arguably predominant nature of small town/rural folks…earthy, realistic, grounded, show me, nose to the grindstone work ethic, etc…yes, it does speak volumes.

          …if one wants to listen.

          • Charlie says:

            Yeah, those small town folk are great. Unlike those god-less heathens living in cities who wouldn’t know hard-work if it hit them in their latte sipping faces.

          • Bill Templeman says:

            Oh c’mon Al….I’ve lived & worked in small towns in Quebec and Ontario. And big cities in Alberta, Ontario, Quebec, Nova Scotia and the US. The amount of lechery, dishonesty, political self-interest and laziness is the same everywhere. To wit: The Province of Ontario has just passed a law requiring all town councils to have a code of ethics. The people of Cranbrook are no doubt earthy, realistic, grounded, show me, and I am sure they keep their very clean noses to the grindstone. As are the people of Toronto and all across the land. Please. We have enough divisions without creating fictitious urban/rural superiorities.

  3. dave constable says:

    Hey – Stein got a % way higher than the % of media coverage she received.

  4. Pat. T says:

    One would be more inclined to take the Clintonites seriously if they made the DNC one party member, one vote i.e. scrap super delegates and such. Also, doesn’t this mean Liberals should only have 39% seats rather than 54%?

    • Michael Bluth says:

      The Dems are hoisted on their own petard. One person, one vote … only when it helps Hillary. The lack of consistency of progressives on this one is why the issue is not getting any traction. 9

  5. billg says:

    This is a Conservative’s wet dream.
    Trump for 4 years even though he lost the popular vote.
    Pipelines in Canada with the approval of a Green leaning Liberal Prime Minister.
    And Elizabeth May railing against a Liberal Prime Minister and an NDP Premier.
    Ya ya, the world is coming to an end and we’re all going to burn to death or starve to death, Nazi’s, plague, jackboots, lockstep, fascist, warmongers…..
    Heard it all before with Reagan, Mulroney, Bush, Harper, yet, we’re all still here.
    Although, the Trump thing is off the wall different because he’s more of an Independent then anything else.

    Heard that with Reagan, Mulroney, Bush, Harper.

    • Greyapple says:

      To label the likes of Reagan, Thatcher, Mulroney, Bush, Harper, McCain, and Romney as Fascist was absurd hyperbole on the part of their opponents, but with Trump and his crew I’m not so sure. Even if the label isn’t entirely accurate, they are certainly the closest thing to Fascists western politics has seen since the 1930s. Liberals and Progressives should have taken the moral of “The Boy who Cried Wolf” to heart, and those of your mindset should remember that the moral of the story is not that there wasn’t a wolf.

      • billg says:

        Ah, in other words, ” no, this time we really really really mean it”.
        “and those of your mindset”….not enough words to say “and that’s why Trump won”….
        But thanks for helping me out with my morals, Progressives…the giving never stops does it.

    • Ron says:

      Yabbut Reagan, Mulroney, Bush, Harper were all bulwarks against communism too, right ?

      I’ve heard that one before too.

  6. billbc says:

    Trump rules with 46% of the popular vote. That’s the way their system works. Bad!

    Trudeau rules with 39% of the popular vote. That’s the way our system works. Good!

    Seems, I dunno, inconsistent.

    • Shawn says:

      Trudeau didn’t win 39% of the vote. Liberal candidates for parliament did. It’s a completely different system not even close to the same.

      • dave constable says:

        Maybe there is a similarity:
        In the Exceptional States, they state by state vote for Electoral college members. The Electors elect the president. Then they do little till the next election.
        Here in the vast emptiness of Canada, riding by riding, we elect MP’s. They go to Ottawa, and if their party is a majority, they rubber stamp everything the Prime Minister does, and then do little till the next election (eg – the committee on electoral reform).

    • Corey says:

      That’s not the same thing at all. The percentage itself is not the point.
      Trudeau’s libs may have only gotten 39.5% popular vote, but the cons only had 31.9%.

      The point I think Warren is making is not about minority governments but about the popular vote winner not winning presidency.

  7. Aongasha says:

    The never-ending story – going to be a long 4 years for some.

  8. godot10 says:

    There are 50-something independent elections to choose electors in the United States. There is NOT one election. The total popular vote is interesting but irrelevant.

    If there was ONE election to choose the President instead of 50-something elections, then the popular vote would matter, but the popular vote might be significantly different, if the electoral system was different. It is folly to suggest that the popular vote obtained under one electoral system would be the same for another electoral system.

    The Republicans don’t have to put a lot of effort into the 90% of US counties that are red. If it was a popular vote system, they would put much more effort into increasing turnout in all these relatively safe counties.

    The Democrats are already running full tilt in LA, NY, Chicago, and the major urban centres.

    I would argue that the Republicans might have significantly more votes out there if it was a popular vote system.

  9. lance m says:

    I knew Trump was looking into a 24hour “Trump television channel” I did not know he was franchising out web pages as well. Seems like a lot of TRUMP. all Trump. 24/7 around here. I get the concern, but it is over. Meanwhile our gov’t is rejecting the recommendations its very own committee puts forward for electoral reform. This is something that every Canadian should have a say in via referendum.

    • dave constable says:

      Your description of what Trump is doing reminds me of Orwell’s creation, Big Brother, in his novel, 1984.
      (Thus spake the omnipresent Talking Head…)

      • redraven says:

        “he who controls the present controls the future.”
        Orwell.
        and right now it’s the flim flam man’s future to make. deal with it.

      • pat says:

        That’s the world we live in – we’re slipping into more authoritarian government, and less freedom. Less privacy, and freedom, and more fake news. Sad that having suffered thousands of years of not being free, and then enjoying a blink of rights, and a moment of individual freedoms human ingenuity, and archaic barbaric instincts are chipping away at the great society.

    • Kev says:

      The careful reader will note that a lot of the pro-Trump media- and web-forum commentariat (not on this site, of course) write their English with the curious stilted syntax and grammar that only a Slav who has learned English as a second language are inclined to write.

  10. Frank says:

    Sorry, but the popular vote means diddly squat and I doubt Trump is having a heart attack about it. It’s the Electiral College numbers that count. Far mor worrisome are the 107,000,000 + voters who simply couldn’t be bothered to get up off thier arses, walk down to a voting station and cast thier ballot. What? Something more important on ‘X Factor’? Season finale to ‘Survivor’? No one to blame except themselves. Thier side won, our side lost, try again in 4 years….it’s called democracy.

  11. MississaugaPeter says:

    New popular vote totals from AP:

    • Self-entitled Egomaniacs 127,777,091 (94.5%)

    • Johnson 4,457,409 (3.3%)

    • Stein 1,429,050 (1.1%)

  12. pat says:

    Haven’t read through the posts yet, but I read a while back that the electoral college can change their vote. I’m not sure if it’s too late for that, or if there’s still a chance, considering the popular vote, that they could change their minds. Probably just an obscure technicality, but I’m curious to know if in light of the popular vote there’s a chance the electoral college can still change? Doubt it.

  13. P. Brenn says:

    hi ..sad the best the RNC could do was trump ..sadder the best the democrats could do was another clinton with all the baggage …its getting to a point though that unless you are an egomaniac who wants to run and put themselves and their families through an election ….and not just for POTUS…

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