07.20.2020 12:15 PM

Prime Minister, WE have a problem

Down ten points in eight weeks. That’s hard to do, but the Trudeau Liberals did it.

68 Comments

  1. (Yes, I am that good. LOL.)

  2. Like I said before, the minute the list included Sophie, that made it unrecoverable for the Liberals.

  3. Nick M. says:

    Campaign Research has Trudeau positives oddly doing well with male youth. As in Extremely well.

    I think with the high male youth unemployment and the expiration of CERB, that category will see a drastic change.

    At some point with all this sizzle, the expectation is to see a steak at some point.

    • Jim R says:

      Which is why the CERB will be continuously renewed until after the next election (whenever that is), the cynic in me wonders.

      • the real Sean says:

        CERB will keep going at least until the 2015 class of fake Liberal MPs cross the 6 year threshold for iron clad pensions for life. Only then will they stop the money hose and engineer a defeat.

  4. Chris Sigvaldason says:

    I wonder how Global Affairs civil servants, the ones who applauded the 2015 arrival of their Liberal bosses, now feel as their colleagues are being thrown under the bus in an attempt to save Trudeau.

  5. Douglas W says:

    No show in the House today.
    Taking a Personal Day.

    Man, that’s going to play well.

    • Douglas,

      The PM needs to rest up, what with what’s coming down the pike. This slippage is only the beginning of the end rather than the end of the beginning for this government.

      • joe long says:

        Nah, Justin took a personal day to brush up on his lines for his next appearance. Look for him to announce another 20 or 30 billion in new spending.

        • Ronald O'Dowd says:

          Joe,

          You can only keep buying votes if they are still prepared to be bought. Sure, they’ll gladly take his money and then “forget”” to show up on E-Day. Imagine that.

      • Douglas W says:

        Greater question: what has yet to be uncovered?

  6. Gerry,

    I thought you wouldn’t be gone long. [Smiling.]

    Use any excuse you like to create an obligation to post and “correct ” the record. In some polls Team Justin was as high as 46, in my book that’s a ten point drop. Don’t worry, the trend is my friend and will keep going down. You’ll get used to it.

    As for irrational bias, you must mean the PM and his staff when they refused to testify before several committees re: SNC and again now as regards WE. I detect a pattern there. You guys are going to need heartburn meds when the full House votes on WE, cause you won’t like the way it goes.

    • Ronald O'Dowd says:

      Gerry,

      Notice how we are both super confident, even beyond that? One of us is wrong but only God knows for sure. That’s me showing humility for today. Care to join me?

    • Gerry,

      Morneau and the Brothers K seem to be willing to testify before that “bullshit partisan inquir[y]”. Interesting. It’s one thing when you leave a common impression by stonewalling a committee, it’s quite another when you pick and choose your ministry witnesses. That acknowledges the absolute necessity of testifying on the government side. Somebody has opened the dike for the Wuhan floods. Not particularly brilliant political strategy. Not that I’m complaining, mind you.

  7. Gilbert says:

    The prime minister took a personal day to avoid questions about the WE scandal. That tells me he knows he’s guilty and doesn’t want to face the music. Let me be direct. It makes him look weak, lazy and corrupt.

  8. Lawrence Barry says:

    “Petit” – now…. Fuck me – thats awesome!

  9. Ronald O'Dowd says:

    Gerry,

    Right. If you say so.

    I say check out Churchill right after WWII. You’re welcome.

    • Gerry,

      Well, I will concede that if this government played a particularly crucial role in the development of an effective vaccine, of course, Trudeau will get credit for that. But the key word is IF.

      It won’t be you or me judging that, it will be the scientific community.

  10. Lawrence Barry says:

    Jesus “Gerry” – that sort of masturbatory crap – its almost like you’re comparing JT to Banting or Tommy Douglas.

  11. the real Sean says:

    Why would anyone pay Justin Trudeau to speak at anything? Piling the money up on stage and lighting it on fire would be more dignified.

  12. John Smith says:

    I think with all the corruption and the allegation, Trudeau should quit. he deals with the pandemic better then the Americans but still, my business in landscapingsuffer from very big lost of income. the government money with the years was redirected to wrong addresses when we all as a small business owners needed this support.

    • Gerry,

      You seem to forget that the Harper government consulted heavily over the 2008 loans or stock stakes before ultimately deciding to proceed. In the end, in the case of GM, the Government of Canada was fully paid and made a nice profit on the deal for taxpayers.

      Even I was consulted on that one. I told them that Canadian jobs mattered above all else and urged them to think out of the box and go with it.

      • Gerry,

        I don’t know about you but I’ve yet to see a government of any stripe, in any country, that wasn’t primarily self-serving. Maybe we’ll find an exception on Mars, who knows?

    • Yet Another Calgarian says:

      South? You mean where all the highest death totals are concentrated in not only Democrat controlled areas but overwhelmingly in minority communities?

      In New York City up to 68% of some minority communities have tested positive for covid antibodies during serology tests over the few weeks.

      Its going to be interesting to watch de Blasio and Cuomo try and enforce another quarantine if needed given how badly they have screwed over those communities that they managed to get herd immunity in the first wave.

      I agreed with Mr O’Dowd. Harper & Co would have been entirely transparent. Especially in a minority government situation.

    • Nick M. says:

      “Look south” one liner is just not true.

      Most of the Covid crisis management has been done at the provincial level.

      This crisis has highlighted how BC and to a lesser extent Alberta are better run bureaucracies than Canada and Ontario.

  13. Pedant says:

    Doug Ford’s approval also soared. That tends to happen in moments of crisis especially when Trudeau is throwing the money of middle class taxpayers at the indolent and irresponsible. But imagine spending $500 billion+ (which is what the invoice for this spree will eventually total) for no appreciable net gain in support, as I suspect will be the case.

  14. Steve T says:

    It is interesting to watch the debate, above, and note who is commenting on various aspects of the Trudeau government.

    Most notably, I see a certain someone who is taking every opportunity to reply and rebut almost all things that critique Trudeau – except, interestingly, nothing on CERB and the “spend your way to popularity” argument.

    So I will put out this comment as bait, and see what happens. CERB was, at minimum, a very poorly thought-out program that was cobbled together in a rush, with no exit strategy. Even if you take that somewhat generous view of CERB’s inception, it now is evident that the Liberals see the wonderful side-effect of CERB as the co-opting of huge swaths of Canadians as financially beholden to the Liberals.

    This is an approach often seen in heavily socialist countries, who implement generous social welfare programs that disincentivize work, punish taxpayers, and create a dependent class of minions who doesn’t dare vote against the governing party, lest their free lunch be removed. The eventual result is what we saw in Greece and other similar countries.

    OK, let’s see what reaction those comments get from the Trudeau defender(s)!

    • Me and others ask what the conservative alternative would be. I guess we got tired of asking.

      Yes, of course the CERB was put together quickly. The economy was transformed in a week.

      The exit strategy is to get to the point where the virus is low enough that there are no longer any restrictions, probably after the vaccine is rolled out.

      • Steve Teller says:

        I see. So continue to pay people to not work, until some mysterious time when everyone feels “safe”, and there are no restrictions whatsoever. Wonder who is going to make that decision? Hmmm – maybe the ruling party who stands to benefit from all the captive minions?

        During that time, the economy craters, and the people who actually have a work ethic foot the bill for those who stay at home because they are paranoid or just plain lazy.

        If you think that is hyperbole, go talk to a small business about what it’s like to get staff to come back to work. And please don’t turn this into a debate about whether people are being paid fairly. Lots of people on CERB were not working full-time hours (often due to choice, or being a student living at home), and yet still collect the full $2k.

        • Pedant says:

          “During that time, the economy craters, and the people who actually have a work ethic foot the bill…”

          Many of those hardworking people will simply leave Canada. I expect the brain drain out of Canada to reach levels not seen since the late-90s.

          Then once all the productive people leave, who will pay for the 40% of tax-filing Canadians (i.e. the figure does not include minors) who pay zero net tax? There is a limit to which you can continue to means-test the productive people out of the very perks they are paying for before there is a backlash, which may come in the form of mass emigration of talented young people out of Canada.

        • Premiers makes the decision on when to open up on the advice of the provincal public health department.

          I understand if your employer calls you back for full hours you have to go or you will lose the CERB, unless you are unable to get childcare, which is another huge problem.

  15. Joseph says:

    Interesting
    If the trend continues then there will be a statistical tie in the fall.
    Might be insightful to know where the majority of respondents live, urban or rural?
    Would also like to know the bias of the poll (they all have them).
    It tells if the trend is real or not.

    • Joseph,

      It’s beyond amazing that Morneau will testify before the finance committee knowing that the nuclear family will quite obviously be the topic du jour — not only his but also that of the Prime Minister. If they think they can solidify their numbers with this type of appearance they are dreaming. The only way forward is down when you send to committee people who are at least indirectly implicated in the mess that you happen to be desperate to clean up. They will nail Morneau on his failure to recuse himself and no doubt ask why the PM did not do the same? It should be better than the July 1st fireworks. Can’t wait. Sell tickets, if you can!

  16. Trudeau, Morneau had to be involved in WE Charity decision, top bureaucrat tells MPs

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/we-charity-finance-committeee-1.5657494

    Sounds like under the bus time.

  17. Gerry,

    A bit of a twist: (Léger)

    LPC: 39
    CPC: 28
    NDP: 17
    GPC: 7
    BQ: 7

  18. Gilbert says:

    The Liberals may be ahead, but the Conservatives haven’t chosen their new leader yet and there could be further leaks to come. I think more and more Liberals realize that Justin Trudeau isn’t qualified, and scaring voters about the socialist conservatives in the Conservative Party won’t work next time.

  19. Walter says:

    This whole WE scandal shows that Trudeau doesn’t even need to hide his corruption because the $600M media bailout worked so well they will forgive anything in the end.
    Also, media invested so much effort the past 3 or 4 years treating Trudeau like a god, the average person on the street who only catches news headlines does not believe that Saint Trudeau is capable of wrong.

    • Walter,

      It’s generally been my experience that the pissed off tend to vote regularly and with gusto. That in and of itself should have Liberals already starting to sweat.

  20. Gilbert says:

    I seriously wonder what would make Justin Trudeau resign. South Korea’s former president is in jail for actions that pale in comparison. He truly has no honour.

  21. Martin says:

    So, I assume the “Gerry” posts were some sort of false flag operation and they have been scrubbed? The general assumption seemed kind of hard to believe especially when he should be busy dealing with this:

    http://globalnews.ca/news/7203337/trudeau-we-charity-foundation-real-estate-holding-company/

    And the truth is even worse than the headline. It is not even a real estate holding company. It is a shell company. The sort of structure law dudes set up to shield operating companies from environmental and other potential liabilities. Many of the potential employment issues were explained in the testimony at the Finance committee. So there was exposure. Plan would have been to have some other entity strip the 43.5 million profit out with fees and leave nothing to sue. Now we are veering into stunning incompetence. Which is worse. Knowing they had made an agreement with a shell or knowing that they did and not knowing the potential problems. And it is the Liberal narrative that attempts to argue that Margaret was paid out of the for profit entity so that made it ok. If they don’t want to lump the entities together than they have a lot of explaining to do as to why they would have made an agreement with an entity that any first year articling law student would have told them not to. Hopefully the boys and Morneau get grilled on this.

    • Joseph says:

      I say old chap, surely your not suggesting there was some kind of collusion between the PMO and a charity organization?
      Whatever would be the benefit of taking the risk of criminal prosecution?

      • Martin says:

        I am saying that only a fool would sign a contract with an organization that you could not go after if they fail to deliver properly. Different issue.

      • Martin says:

        What I am saying there is that only a fool would sign a contract with a shell corporation with no track record that will have no assets to grab if they fail to deliver.

  22. Martin says:

    So, I assume the “Gerry” posts were some sort of false flag operation and they have been scrubbed? The general assumption seemed kind of hard to believe especially when he should be busy dealing with this:

    http://globalnews.ca/news/7203337/trudeau-we-charity-foundation-real-estate-holding-company/

    And the truth is even worse than the headline. It is not even a real estate holding company. It is a shell company. The sort of structure law dudes set up to shield operating companies from environmental and other potential liabilities. Many of the potential employment issues were explained in the testimony at the Finance committee. So there was exposure. Plan would have been to have some other entity(there are many) strip the 43.5 million profit out with fees and leave nothing to sue. Now we are veering into stunning incompetence. Which is worse. Not knowing they had made an agreement with a shell or knowing that they did and not knowing the potential problems. And it is the Liberal narrative that attempts to argue that Margaret was paid out of the for profit entity so that made it ok. If they don’t want to lump the entities together than they have a lot of explaining to do as to why they would have made an agreement with an entity that any first year articling law student would have told them not to. Hopefully the boys and Morneau get grilled on this.

  23. Martin says:

    Troll did a pretty good job but the shots at Scheer and Poilievre didn’t sound like him. Sorry for the double post. Phone issues. It does get better and better. Isn’t there an argument that Morneau actually belongs in jail? Regardless, how can he possibly survive this.

    https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2020/07/22/finance-minister-bill-morneau-to-testify-over-we-deal.html

  24. I would put it to all of you that if this Prime Minister and his Chief of Staff are going to testify before the Finance Committee it’s because this government has finally recognized that they are on the ropes and have absolutely no choice. They are going to get the grilling of their careers.

    I heard something interesting today: you know, about the overall jurisdiction of the committee and the expanded jurisdiction that allows broader latitude in questioning. If Opposition MPs move off topic and can get that sustained, then the PM will quickly come to wish that he had taken that walk in the snow after all. God Bless that CPAC coverage!

    • Martin says:

      Don’t you think that their plan is to try and hang this on Morneau and move along? He is a dead man walking anyway. I almost feel bad for the guy. Almost. Seems like a good guy that got in with a bunch of vipers.

      • Ronald O'Dowd says:

        Martin,

        They have only one clear shot at redemption and rescuing this government and making Morneau the sole fall guy isn’t it. He may be prepared to dutifully fall on his sword in Committee but that won’t do it.

        I’m not about to map it out for them and I seriously doubt they can put the pieces together on their own. So, the Finance Committee is their problem.

  25. Chris Sigvaldason says:

    Sublime to ridiculous. Truck stop glory holes (now government-approved in BC! Seriously) smell better than WE does. What else is going to happen this year?

    • Yet Another Calgarian says:

      That announcment from BC honestly made me think of Leslie Nielsen’s safe sex scene from the Naked Gun movies.

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