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GET THE NEW SFH LP!I’ve read this a few times, and I don’t get it.
Is he saying they somehow deserved to die?
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“Leftist syndrome?”
Warren, a slight paraphrase of Mr Coren’s post may provide some perspective and clarity.
Young people at a socialist NDP youth camp in a provincial park in Southern Ontario were victims of terror. They had demanded Israel remove barriers that had saved any number of innocent, Jewish children from Islamic terror gangs. They also condemned Israel for, well, pretty much everything, and showed no empathy at all for Jewish suffering, and the experience of living with terrorism for more than sixty years. So sad, but so typical.
I applaud the press’s continued diligence against anti-semitism. However, in light of recent revelations as to what extent media will go to garner attention and get a story, Mr Coren’s original post comes off as a callous attempt to advance his own ideological agenda at the expense of over 80 grieving famlies in Norway.
Nope, I do not believe that anyone but a whacko could be saying that those kids deserved their treatment yesterday.
But what I do think he is saying, is that the survivors of that day of terror will forever have a very different perspective about a wide range of things to do with terrorism, security, self defense and how useless it is to call 911 when seconds count. One assumes that their youthful idealism will be gone forever.
I saw first hand numerous examples of wide eyed “non-racial” white teachers arriving in Africa from UK rapidly become far more “racist” and separate from the Africans than those of us that had lived there for years and understood the language and culture. My own generous attitude toward Arab culture took a big hit after experiencing Morocco for a month starting with watching their border agents beat numerous middle aged women mercilessly for no apparent reason. Traveling with my 2 daughters and being repeatedly offered any number of sheep or camels to buy them just made me feel sorry for the typical clueless, left-wing, Canadian feminist’s attitude towards Israel.
My girls both literally bent down and kissed the ground upon our return to the paradise that is Canada.
My girls both literally bent down and kissed the ground upon our return to the paradise that is Canada.
A country governed by left leaning governments for most of its existence. Ironic, no?
“left leaning” is a relative term, Paul.
The girls appreciation of Canada was not a left/right thing so much as about gender equality, quality of life, democracy and “rule of law” though now one wonders about that one what with the Police “response” to the G20 riots, Caledonia and the Ottawa police force.
Even the accursed Cons and Harper ( so far as I know are in favor of all of the above ) nice try though.
The girls appreciation of Canada was not a left/right thing so much as about gender equality, quality of life, democracy
Let’s face it, those things were brought fourth much more easily under Liberal governments, than Conservative governments.
Even the accursed Cons and Harper so far as I know are in favor of all of the above
Seriously? The CPC is in favour of gender equality; democracy? Where have you seen that?
You mean like the way Ignatieff was “elected”
Seems like the cons are a tad more democratic at the riding level too but not being a party member I may have that one wrong.
I see plenty of women MP’s in both parties though the Libs have yet to have a Federal female leader.
You mean like the way Ignatieff was “elected” Seems like the cons are a tad more democratic at the riding level too but not being a party member I may have that one wrong. I see plenty of women MP’s in both parties though the Libs have yet to have a Federal female leader.
Comparing a leadership run to running a country is specious, Africon. Although considering how poorly the CPC has done on the issues you claim they support, I guess building that straw man is easier than providing facts.
According to Coren, they were leftists who disagreed with Israeli security policy, so they deserved to die. All very simple, really. Despite the fact that they were very young, some were even children.
Hey, doesn’t Coren have his own show now on Scum News Network ?
I will share Coren’s comment on my fb page – to give my numerous European fb friends an insight into the Canadian media landscape. As far as I am concerned, I will boycott canoe.ca and any other media that will publish cynical and contemptuous comments like Mr. Coren’s.
“Coren’s Comment is proudly powered by WorldPress MU.” Really?
That’s exactly what Coren is saying. I’ve haven’t heard anything so callous and shameful in a long time. Rather then show some sympathy for those who have had their lives cut short he hijacks the event to satisfy his own agenda. The fact that the Sun would provide a venue for his sick words is equally disgraceful. To say Coren is an utter scumbag is being kind.
What I want to know is this. Coren is a rightwing Christian who hates Muslims and the murderer is also a rightwing Christian who hates Muslims. How come Coren has not officially apologized for the massacre on behalf of all rightwing Christian (or even dissociated himself from it)? How come he refuses to take responsibility for this terrorist act?
I only ask these questions because you can be 100% certain that if the killer had been a Muslim – people like Coren would be writing article after article about how local Muslims have not done enough to take responsibility and condemn the attacks etc…
So far I have not seen Coren actually condemn the murders in Norway – all we know if that he makes it clear that he thinks the lives of the teenagers murdered by this neo-Nazi are worthless because he suspects they might not have been pro-Israel enough for his taste. Until he actually CONDEMNS this atrocity without reservation, i can only assume that he tacitly approves of it.
Fundamentalist Christians spent centuries debasing the lives of Jews and Muslims, now they only debase the lives of Muslims, does that mean sanctification works over time ?
My understanding is that Fundamentalist Christians are still debasing Jews, just in a less obvious manner.
The Fundamentalist Christian endgame is based on having all of the worlds Jews in Israel and for armageddon to start there(all Jews are killed in this armageddon as far as I know).
Christian Zionism is part of the fulfilment of this plan.
Disgraceful but not surprising.
Good question there Jedi Master. I read it 5 times and I don’t know what the hell he means.
It does seem however that Coren is suggesting the kids got what they deserved.
He’s a goof anyway.
When I am King, he won’t be allowed to write and there will be other changes as well.
There were many, including PM Chretien, who said the Americans brought the Sept 11. attacks upon themselves. When a TV evangelist said the WTC attacks were because of homosexuality in America, that is the same mentality as saying it was American imperialism that caused the attacks. Different beliefs, same mentality. Many people look at tragedies and make them be about their own political or religious beliefs, it’s not a right or left thing.
There were many, including PM Chretien, who said the Americans brought the Sept 11. attacks upon themselves.
Chrentien never said, “Americans brought the Sept 11. attacks upon themselves”. He said the terrorists hated American freedom, and that’s why they attacked America.
which is also a retarded comment, terrorists hate American license, no democracy in the middle east because it gets in the way of control oil.
Yep – that HAS to be what he’s saying. No other possible explanation. After all he’s on the right and a christian – 2 strikes right there. Oh yeah and he works for Sun – out!
So you agree with what Coren wrote in his piece?
Right wingers are doing contortions to absolve the right of this insane act.
To quote the Boss, ‘piss off.’
It wasn’t that long ago Michael was fired from News Talk 1010 for being an unentertaining idiot. Sadly, these comments are of little surprise
I’m pretty sure this is a fireable offence. If Rogers Corp has the guts & smarts to turf Damien Goddard over his nonsense, then it’s a no-brainer for Sun Media to cast off Coren. The pathetic excuse for a human being that he is.
What’s fantastic is that almost every comment after his blog on a Sun Media website is slamming him. Not even their own audience can defend that crap.
“PM Chretien, who said the Americans brought the Sept 11. attacks upon themselves”
Quote, please.
I’m actually pretty familiar with what Chretien said, and it nowhere near approaches this “they had it coming” vibe that Cohen’s quote resembles.
And, on a related matter, I do acknowledge that there are examples out there of people said awful things about 9/11 victims. Case in point, Jerry Falwell said the following a few days after the September 11 attacks:
He was, of course, rightly condemned for his language, as were all who engaged in similar rhetoric. Rational people, whether they are on the left, the centre or the right, abhor this sort of thinking, regardless of where it comes. If you can’t see this, it’s only because you’re not listening.
Indeed, I would suggest that you’re not interested in listening, because if you did, you would have a much more difficult time excusing what Michael Coren said.
“Prime Minister Jean Chr
Finally ran out of crazy, I guess?
Hahahah, nice.
The pompous, arrogant tone to this guy’s writing masks his always narrow, ineffectual argument. He’s also the guy who told Ontarians that the folks at the fly-by-night Auto Depot were “good people.”
He?s also the guy who told Ontarians that the folks at the fly-by-night Auto Depot were ?good people.?
Thank you! I’ve been trying to remember the name of that clip joint for years. He actually aired a commercial on his show claiming they were a “good, Christian company”. During one of his shows, he admitted that the company gave him free cars. In an ironic twist, When he was questioned by reporters about the company ripping off people for $5 million dollars, he accused them of yellow journalism.
I read that a few times and don’t see him suggesting that they deserved it. But I find it disturbing that he he can see the “irony” of it all, because I can’t see past the magnitude of this horrific tragedy. I don’t care what the victims’ politics were, or what declarations they signed. They were young and totally innocent. I can’t see how anyone would have the mind to draw attention away from that fact, especially at this time.
Irony is a harsh mistress.
Wow, it is repulsive of Coren to post that. Not really impressed with your phrasing either though Warren. Coren’s cesspool of thought speaks for itself. You do not need to further infer a bias beyond what is clear. What is written is bad enough and being unnecessarily oppositional to something, by using inflammatory language, will only predispose those who tend to have a non-revolting opposition to some of your opinions to think that there is some valid basis to be pro-Coren and anti-you in a comparison of ‘principles’.
Piss off.
Well played Sir! Well played!
Ah yes, strategic and righteous obstinance on both sides of every issue. Warren Kinsella and foes, helping to turn Canada into America. I shall wait patiently for the next Hudak is a demon posting which is no doubt already in the pipeline and which will advance the political discourse.
And people wonder why youth have abandoned the LPC for the NDP.
Don’t be such an a-hole…
the NDP have had plenty of polarizing spokespersons, too, from Brad Lavigne to Pat Martin; and,
youth have increasingly been abandoning — or, rather, simply never supporting or being engaged by — ALL the political parties for quite some time, now (over the last several generations, in fact); and,
it’s not at ALL clear that that has ANYTHING to do with what partisan bloggers, columnists, or TV pundits have to say, since, um, they’re simply not tuning in to hear or see what they have to say.
And if you don’t like partisan discourse (and BTW, there was nothing inflammatory or extreme in the language that WK used in this post), there’s a simple solution… follow their lead, and zone out.
Anything that draws the eyeballs and sells the newspapers. Rupe would be proud.
whatever.
Note, both sets of posts on this are on blogs, not paid media.
And far from condoning or celebrating it, WK was calling Coren out on it: even though he’s a colleague, of sorts, AT Sun Media.
And the commentary on it wasn’t confined to paid media commenters, either: see, e.g., these various citizen blogger / tweeters at:
http://hashonomy.com/link/leftist-syndrome-corenrs-comment-74237/
What I don’t get, is you:
using harsh language to, um, scold others for using harsh language;
and repeatedly coming to a partisan blog to do that.
It’s like listening to a rap station and calling in to complain about the lyrics.
Who /what are you: Tipper Gore?
it appears to be his sanctimonious v. of, “Karma’s a bitch,”
but it’s really just:
“Coren’s a bitch.”
Interesting, whoever moderates his blog (possible himself) will not allow my comment noting he was fired from News Talk 1010 or an additional comment pointing out that his supporter at the end (whom he thanks at the bottom) was probably just a second account registered by himself. I suspect he’s intentionally cherry picking the toughest comments to make himself the “victim” of mean old lefties
Coren’s comments were revolting. It didn’t matter if the young party activists had lot of sympathy or no sympathy for Israel. The young people plus the people in Oslo didn’t deserve to die.
Right wing douchebags like Coren will self implode the whole conservative movement in time.
What’s disturbing is to think: “where did Coren’s thoughts go the instant he heard of the attacks”. What kind of christian mind and soul is that?
actually, I’d bet his mind only went there the instants after he heard about the all too copasetic (too him) politics of the attack_er_.
as I suspected, there was an (d)evolution in his thought as he watched the news over the last 48 hours or so, and he’s been busily documenting it:
his first (public) thoughts were that it was, naturally, a Muslim attack
(“Norway, Peace Be Upon It,” currently at http://blogs.canoe.ca/corenscomment/page/2/
specifically: http://blogs.canoe.ca/corenscomment/consider-this/norway-peace-be-upon-it/
then, as reports about the Nordic perp started to surface, that, poppycock, the Muslims still had to be behind it
(“Denial. Not a river in Egypt”)
then, even if it was a white guy, the descriptions of his politics couldn’t possibly be true cuz they’re too contradictory, and anyway, so what, that’s just 1 white terrorists compared to the thousands of Muslim attacks
(Jihadists 16,000; Norwegians 1)
then the cognitive dissonance & rationalizations kick in: he quotes with approval Kathy Shaidle’s contortions explaining how a similar supposedly right-wing bomber of the DC Holocaust museum actually held more left-wing views (“Brilliant!”)
then it was the one under review (“Leftist Syndrome”) that, in an Alanis Morissette type-sense, it was “ironic” that these deluded young people who didn’t comprehend how the separation fence protects Jewish children from Islamic terror gangs ended up getting killed by a terrorist
then it was justifying his initial hasty conclusion by reminding people that there ARE Muslims in Norway, re: those Prophet Mohammad cartoons (“No Muslims Here”)
then responding to his critics by observing that he’s not in fact Gay and IS willing to help some Muslims (starving ones, albeit children, specifically, in Somalia)
then, a couple detours, to Amy Winehouse, and the Gaza Strip, and he’s back on topic,
singling out a few serial commenter on his posts as pro-Islamists (“I Can Write Good, And I Have Computer”
casting aspersions on white Norwegians by alluding to the rate they’re being implicate rapes (“Norway is Great”)
trying to dissociate himself from the attacker’s views (“The Oddest Christian Fundamentalist in the World”)
and in the two most recent ones, arguing he’s not racist by pointing out (or at least submitting) that the Muslim terrorists he’s so opposed to rape and kill browns as well as whites (“Liberal Racism” & “More Non-Attacks”)
http://blogs.canoe.ca/corenscomment/
“…scot says: July 24, 2011 at 7:56 am
Right wing douchebags like Coren will self implode the whole conservative movement in time…”
I doubt that’ll happen, Scott. I think that Canada’s Conservatives have already learned not to do that.
Today, in awe, we continue to watch the as yet unfinished show of “imploding” of the longest-running example of seamless, continuous”douchebaggery.” Who dat, you ask?
I’ll give you a hint. The initials of the current batch of long-nosed douches start with Slippery Macliar, and includes his gang of ever-diminishing enablers.
Do you like Whodat? The guy nauseates me.
From the Bible Michael Coren never bothers to read
Luke 13, 1-5
At that very time there were some present who told him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. He asked them, ‘Do you think that because these Galileans suffered in this way they were worse sinners than all other Galileans? No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all perish as they did. Or those eighteen who were killed when the tower of Siloam fell on them—do you think that they were worse offenders than all the others living in Jerusalem? No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all perish just as they did.’
Michael’s bizarre interpretation of the Bible reminds me of someone else who likes to blame the victim…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8XJ3F9_GGw