I have the greatest respect for Dr. Suzuki, who was warning us long before any one else was in Canada of the perils we faced if we continued to degrade our environment ……the climate change deniers, many of whom post here, try and discredit the man, but time will show that he was correct in his prognostications.
I applaud Mr. McGuinty for doing what is right to maintain the environment, not just for Ontarians, but for the world in general.
Warren, such “generalizations” should be beneath you. Has it ever occurred to you that most rural folks ( mostly Conservatives ) and husbands of our land and our livestock are all about maintaining a healthy and productive environment. By contrast Victoria still spews raw sewage into the Juan De Fuca.
Farming and conservation go hand in hand. I think that you are confusing “pollution” from cities and factories with recycling and re-using. The original “environmentalist” James Lovelock who wrote Gaia actually favors the Nuclear option. Long story short there is a whole lot of overlapping on this subject.
For those of you that are thoroughly convinced about long term global warming, PLEASE cite a single example of ANY port anywhere where sea levels ( easily measured dockside ) have risen in the last ten years. I keep asking this simple question and to date not a single response.
“PLEASE cite a single example of ANY port anywhere where sea levels ( easily measured dockside ) have risen in the last ten years. I keep asking this simple question and to date not a single response.”
That’s pretty weak, don’t you think ?
A small country looking for a hand out and confusing erosion with rising sea levels.
You do realize that water finds it’s own level around the world, it just can’t rise one place and nowhere else, right ?
Global sea level rose about 17 centimeters (6.7 inches) in the last century, but the rate in just the last decade is nearly double that of the last century.
Global sea level rose about 17 centimeters (6.7 inches) in the last century, but the rate in just the last decade is nearly double that of the last century.
Using the Suzuki, as the source to validate Suzuki position, does continue to show an on going lack intergrity as one should never do ones own peer review and vetting.
What bothers you the most Lance? That Dr. Suzuki is right about climate change or that he has been financially successful being right about climate change?
yeah, the same people who are perfectly okay with — or even adamant about the fundamental justice of — entertainers or professional athletes being able to command million dollar salaries based on their free market endorsements and their supporters’ voluntary contributions,
get their panties in a knot when those championing a cause they’re uncomfortable with hearing about manage to make a good living at it thanks to their supporters.
But, oh, somehow, it’s only the latter who are being hypocrites, and a charge of hypocrisy trumps any substantive criticism an advocate might make, don’cha know.
As before, wheeling out the good Doctor did not help the Federal Liberals in the last election as Canadians including a large number in Ontario rejected him, the LPC and their talking points and their belief that LPC just needs that the “one more big push” argument and that will they are just a slightly better ad away from government.
Andrew Steele at the Globe and mail has an excellent article on The Liberal culture of defeat and after reading the piece it does explain much of what I see in the way of the insults, comments, observations and point of views that are expressed by Liberals and their supporters – This part was most informative.
We held the West when they hated those Toronto bankers, until they got rich and became bankers. We held Quebec until francophones stopped thinking of themselves as minorities in Canada, and started thinking of themselves as majorities in Quebec. We held rural and Northern Ontario until they began to see us as too elite and downtown. We held the cultural and ethnic minorities of the Greater Toronto Area and Montreal and Vancouver until we stopped defending them and the Charter.
Now we are left with a handful of seats held through incumbency and organization and tribal loyalty, but without a regional base that unites them. The best choice for Liberals is to return to our core principal to protect the sanctity of the individual to be themselves.
That’s amazing, because I’ve never publicly endorsed Hudak, nor am I notorious enough to have my endorsement matter in any sense whatsoever. But if you say so, I’ll believe you…
For those who have followed the nature of Things and Doctor Dr. Suzuki over the decades and remember that it really was not that long ago that the good doctor was predicating a coming ice age – Doctor Suzuki, has allowed the political to influence his science to the point where he has lost creditability with his science.
…
DAVID SUZUKI. Canadian Conference on International Health: November 14 to 17 , 1999 ….. We have had warming periods and ice ages. …. that you can`t predict or anticipate on the basis of their isolated parts. …
None so blind as those that will not see dept….This paragraph is from the same speech you posted, DB. Dr. Suzuki’s message has been constant….Man is harming the earth irreparably….
As if to emphasize The Earth Summit, in November of 1992, a remarkable document was released and
signed by more than 1600 senior scientists from around the world, including more than half of all living
Nobel Prize winners. It was called the World Scientists’ Warning to Humanity. It begins by saying
“Human beings and the natural world are on a collision course. Human activities inflict harsh and often
irreversible damage on the environment and on critical resources. If not checked, many of our current
practices put at serious risk the future that we wish for human society and the plant and animal kingdoms,
and may so alter the living world that it will be unable to sustain life in the manner that we know.
Fundamental changes are urgent if we are to avoid the collision our present course will bring about.”
The point is that Mr. Suziki views have changed from that “you can`t predict or anticipate on the basis of their isolated parts” – to “you can predict or anticipate on the basis of their isolated parts” a small point but one that has meaning.
Would some proud Liberal here please explain the complete lack of ANY movement or action in this country to reach the Kyoto goals, ( signed by Libs ) during all those years when they held majorities in both Houses. If none of you can, they I must assume that you are all closet con-bots.
Possibly because the lIberals lost the election before they could see the Kyoto accord through so in other words, Harper ignored all the accords that were in place and sat on his big fat butt with no intention then or ever about the kyota accord. Have you forgotten that or are you just so brain drained and suffering from a lack of common sense to understand this? did you forget Stephen Dion who held a meeting in Montreal on the Kyoto Accord a few months before the 2005 election or are you purposely throwing that information right out of your common senseless mid as well?
Stephanie, Maybe you should be the one to quit drinking the Reformatories blue Kool- Aid..
Africon: Aren’t you posting on the wrong topic if you want to discuss Kyoto goals and Canada’s failure to meet them? You saw the heading- Suzuki: Hudak plan ?absolute insanity? right???
Why don’t you critique David Suzuki or the Liberal’s Green Energy Act?
It’s 2011, not 2005 when Kyoto came into force. Try to keep up.
I wasn’t a federal Liberal then, but I do support Ontario Liberal’s Green Energy plan wholeheartedly as the best plan for my children’s future. And I can assure you I am not a closet con-bot … although I hear PC’s know a thing or two about being in the closet.
Do you know what they say about assuming? Never assume because it just makes an ASS out of you and … well just you.
The ones who assume have the ability to take claims into consideration by giving them the once-over for general plausibility, identifying the assumptions on which they are based and evaluating the evidence (if any) produced to support them. This is called “critical thinking”.
The ones who assert are taking statements for granted like spoon-fed little calves who regurgitate rather than thinking things through.
Parading Dr Suzuki around may be an example of the Liberal Party’s disconnect. I say this from a point of being a member of the LPC. Around here in BC, many environmentally-aware folks are quite taken aback by the deafening silence of Dr Suzuki and his confreres with regards to environmentally- and fisheries-damaging Run-Of-The-River hydroelectricity project. This, among with other examples of Dave-Think has had the effect of risking being called a fool (here in Western Canada at any rate) if you rely on Dr Suzuki for any weight in your argument.
The bloom has come off of Dr Suzuki’s flower.
The other thing is that the Liberal Party is supposed to be a big tent. However, even if you believe most of the environmentalist tenets are worthy, but believe that the Global Warming dogma is not, then you get the Bum’s Rush.
Well Folks. At least one third of Canadians consider worries or the validity of man-made Global Warming to be sufficiently low on the priorities list to vote for a party that does not give a rat’s behind about the theory of man-made global warming.
If the Liberal Party wants to get anybody from the Conservative camp (and we need to if we ever want to form government) then toning down the rhetoric on global warming may be a place to start.
BC Politics has gone completely wacko and upside-down on the environmental issue — the NDP OPPOSED the Liberal government’s carbon tax, in what was a craven attempt to hoover for votes. The BC NDP has become a very odd mixture of knee-jerk retail populism and union cronyism. It’s the most f*cked up NDP party in the country. And it may well form government next election because the HST is so unpopular.
Seriously? You’re going to make a generalization like that based on:
one judge’s stupid meltdown (sorry, “fit of pique”) on one day when he punished the Crown Prosecutors’ Office by throwing out their whole docket for the day because one prosecutor kept him waiting…. when, as the same article notes, in all likelihood the attorney-general is going to review and overturn that decision and get all those cases back to get sentenced?
Are ALL Con supporters like you and DB: either incapable or too lazy to read and comprehend the full articles you too liberally cite and cherry pick from?
I have the greatest respect for Dr. Suzuki, who was warning us long before any one else was in Canada of the perils we faced if we continued to degrade our environment ……the climate change deniers, many of whom post here, try and discredit the man, but time will show that he was correct in his prognostications.
I applaud Mr. McGuinty for doing what is right to maintain the environment, not just for Ontarians, but for the world in general.
I wonder why no person in the media has yet nailed down Hudak’s opinion on climate change.
Suzuki is an expert on climate? OK so then friendly giant was an expert on giraffes right?
He’s forgotten more about the subject that anonymous con-bots will ever know about it, I’d say.
Warren, such “generalizations” should be beneath you. Has it ever occurred to you that most rural folks ( mostly Conservatives ) and husbands of our land and our livestock are all about maintaining a healthy and productive environment. By contrast Victoria still spews raw sewage into the Juan De Fuca.
Farming and conservation go hand in hand. I think that you are confusing “pollution” from cities and factories with recycling and re-using. The original “environmentalist” James Lovelock who wrote Gaia actually favors the Nuclear option. Long story short there is a whole lot of overlapping on this subject.
For those of you that are thoroughly convinced about long term global warming, PLEASE cite a single example of ANY port anywhere where sea levels ( easily measured dockside ) have risen in the last ten years. I keep asking this simple question and to date not a single response.
Sorry, but I don’t take civics lessons from people who use false names.
“PLEASE cite a single example of ANY port anywhere where sea levels ( easily measured dockside ) have risen in the last ten years. I keep asking this simple question and to date not a single response.”
Not a port, but:
Maldives: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7945877.stm
That’s pretty weak, don’t you think ?
A small country looking for a hand out and confusing erosion with rising sea levels.
You do realize that water finds it’s own level around the world, it just can’t rise one place and nowhere else, right ?
Global sea level rose about 17 centimeters (6.7 inches) in the last century, but the rate in just the last decade is nearly double that of the last century.
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
Others are suggesting sea level rises are decelerating.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/sea-level-rises-are-slowing-tidal-gauge-records-show/story-fn59niix-1226099350056
New York City – tide gages show a rise of 2.73 mm per year.
http://metroeast_climate.ciesin.columbia.edu/coastal.html
Arabian sea coast — sea level rise has been recorded at Kochi (1.75 mm per year) followed by Aden in the Persian Gulf (1.37 mm), then Mumbai (1.2 mm) and finally Karachi
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2007-10-26/mumbai/27977494_1_sea-level-nio-s-unnikrishnan
New Moore Island submerged by the ocean.
http://www.woxmobile.com/m_news_msg.php?titleid=11149
Ghoramara Island, which is disappearing because of erosion and rising sea levels.
Maybe you’re asking the wrong people.
Global sea level rose about 17 centimeters (6.7 inches) in the last century, but the rate in just the last decade is nearly double that of the last century.
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
Charter member of the club are we?….time to get your head out of the (tar) sand, Joe…..http://www.davidsuzuki.org/issues/climate-change/science/climate-change-basics/climate-change-deniers/index.php
Using the Suzuki, as the source to validate Suzuki position, does continue to show an on going lack intergrity as one should never do ones own peer review and vetting.
Of course Suzuki is right. Suzuki says so! That settles it. Debate is over. Jail the deniers! The science is settled!~ E pur si muove
So everyone is an anon con-bot now?
Advocacy != expertise but it may = profit. It’s certainly paid for his 4 or 5 properties on 2 continents.
Does he row his own kayak to get back and forth from those properties? Or his he on the Al Gore private jet plan?
What bothers you the most Lance? That Dr. Suzuki is right about climate change or that he has been financially successful being right about climate change?
yeah, the same people who are perfectly okay with — or even adamant about the fundamental justice of — entertainers or professional athletes being able to command million dollar salaries based on their free market endorsements and their supporters’ voluntary contributions,
get their panties in a knot when those championing a cause they’re uncomfortable with hearing about manage to make a good living at it thanks to their supporters.
But, oh, somehow, it’s only the latter who are being hypocrites, and a charge of hypocrisy trumps any substantive criticism an advocate might make, don’cha know.
As before, wheeling out the good Doctor did not help the Federal Liberals in the last election as Canadians including a large number in Ontario rejected him, the LPC and their talking points and their belief that LPC just needs that the “one more big push” argument and that will they are just a slightly better ad away from government.
Andrew Steele at the Globe and mail has an excellent article on The Liberal culture of defeat and after reading the piece it does explain much of what I see in the way of the insults, comments, observations and point of views that are expressed by Liberals and their supporters – This part was most informative.
We held the West when they hated those Toronto bankers, until they got rich and became bankers. We held Quebec until francophones stopped thinking of themselves as minorities in Canada, and started thinking of themselves as majorities in Quebec. We held rural and Northern Ontario until they began to see us as too elite and downtown. We held the cultural and ethnic minorities of the Greater Toronto Area and Montreal and Vancouver until we stopped defending them and the Charter.
Now we are left with a handful of seats held through incumbency and organization and tribal loyalty, but without a regional base that unites them. The best choice for Liberals is to return to our core principal to protect the sanctity of the individual to be themselves.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/second-reading/andrew-steele/the-liberal-culture-of-defeat/article2011029/page3/
Reason no. 38329473892 to NOT vote for McGuinty Liberals: They are supported by David Suzuki.
I know people who say the same thing about Jerome Bastien and Tim Hudak!
That’s amazing, because I’ve never publicly endorsed Hudak, nor am I notorious enough to have my endorsement matter in any sense whatsoever. But if you say so, I’ll believe you…
“our core principal to protect the sanctity of the individual to be themselves.”
I think I’m deemed to be a con-bot on here, but if the Liberals could prove they were best at that they would have my vote.
For those who have followed the nature of Things and Doctor Dr. Suzuki over the decades and remember that it really was not that long ago that the good doctor was predicating a coming ice age – Doctor Suzuki, has allowed the political to influence his science to the point where he has lost creditability with his science.
…
DAVID SUZUKI. Canadian Conference on International Health: November 14 to 17 , 1999 ….. We have had warming periods and ice ages. …. that you can`t predict or anticipate on the basis of their isolated parts. …
http://web.idrc.ca/uploads/user-S/10273531780suzuki.pdf
I would recommend reading it, as it provides insight into some of the politicial and science changes that Doctor Suzuki has under gone.
None so blind as those that will not see dept….This paragraph is from the same speech you posted, DB. Dr. Suzuki’s message has been constant….Man is harming the earth irreparably….
As if to emphasize The Earth Summit, in November of 1992, a remarkable document was released and
signed by more than 1600 senior scientists from around the world, including more than half of all living
Nobel Prize winners. It was called the World Scientists’ Warning to Humanity. It begins by saying
“Human beings and the natural world are on a collision course. Human activities inflict harsh and often
irreversible damage on the environment and on critical resources. If not checked, many of our current
practices put at serious risk the future that we wish for human society and the plant and animal kingdoms,
and may so alter the living world that it will be unable to sustain life in the manner that we know.
Fundamental changes are urgent if we are to avoid the collision our present course will bring about.”
The point is that Mr. Suziki views have changed from that “you can`t predict or anticipate on the basis of their isolated parts” – to “you can predict or anticipate on the basis of their isolated parts” a small point but one that has meaning.
Would some proud Liberal here please explain the complete lack of ANY movement or action in this country to reach the Kyoto goals, ( signed by Libs ) during all those years when they held majorities in both Houses. If none of you can, they I must assume that you are all closet con-bots.
Possibly because the lIberals lost the election before they could see the Kyoto accord through so in other words, Harper ignored all the accords that were in place and sat on his big fat butt with no intention then or ever about the kyota accord. Have you forgotten that or are you just so brain drained and suffering from a lack of common sense to understand this? did you forget Stephen Dion who held a meeting in Montreal on the Kyoto Accord a few months before the 2005 election or are you purposely throwing that information right out of your common senseless mid as well?
Stephanie, Maybe you should be the one to quit drinking the Reformatories blue Kool- Aid..
Youve got that right, Bugz…….personally speaking, it feels so good when you stop…..
Warren Kinsella’s prescription for staying cool on 40C+ days.
Keep drinking the Liberal Kool-Aid.
Awesome! I’m feeling refreshed already!
You’re welcome.
Africon: Aren’t you posting on the wrong topic if you want to discuss Kyoto goals and Canada’s failure to meet them? You saw the heading- Suzuki: Hudak plan ?absolute insanity? right???
Why don’t you critique David Suzuki or the Liberal’s Green Energy Act?
It’s 2011, not 2005 when Kyoto came into force. Try to keep up.
I wasn’t a federal Liberal then, but I do support Ontario Liberal’s Green Energy plan wholeheartedly as the best plan for my children’s future. And I can assure you I am not a closet con-bot … although I hear PC’s know a thing or two about being in the closet.
Do you know what they say about assuming? Never assume because it just makes an ASS out of you and … well just you.
The ones who assume have the ability to take claims into consideration by giving them the once-over for general plausibility, identifying the assumptions on which they are based and evaluating the evidence (if any) produced to support them. This is called “critical thinking”.
The ones who assert are taking statements for granted like spoon-fed little calves who regurgitate rather than thinking things through.
Guess who the ASSES are, hon…
Parading Dr Suzuki around may be an example of the Liberal Party’s disconnect. I say this from a point of being a member of the LPC. Around here in BC, many environmentally-aware folks are quite taken aback by the deafening silence of Dr Suzuki and his confreres with regards to environmentally- and fisheries-damaging Run-Of-The-River hydroelectricity project. This, among with other examples of Dave-Think has had the effect of risking being called a fool (here in Western Canada at any rate) if you rely on Dr Suzuki for any weight in your argument.
The bloom has come off of Dr Suzuki’s flower.
The other thing is that the Liberal Party is supposed to be a big tent. However, even if you believe most of the environmentalist tenets are worthy, but believe that the Global Warming dogma is not, then you get the Bum’s Rush.
Well Folks. At least one third of Canadians consider worries or the validity of man-made Global Warming to be sufficiently low on the priorities list to vote for a party that does not give a rat’s behind about the theory of man-made global warming.
If the Liberal Party wants to get anybody from the Conservative camp (and we need to if we ever want to form government) then toning down the rhetoric on global warming may be a place to start.
BC Politics has gone completely wacko and upside-down on the environmental issue — the NDP OPPOSED the Liberal government’s carbon tax, in what was a craven attempt to hoover for votes. The BC NDP has become a very odd mixture of knee-jerk retail populism and union cronyism. It’s the most f*cked up NDP party in the country. And it may well form government next election because the HST is so unpopular.
LOL, really ? oh yes it IS 2011 !
Still waiting for that explanation for why the failure of the champions of Kyoto did nothing.
I have always been an advocate of re-use, re-cycle and reduce.
Replace gasoline with Nat Gas seems so obvious.
Carbon trading – not so much.
McGuinty’s whole performance so far at the Premier’s conference has both your oppositions smiling ear to ear today.
Here’s something else that’s going to counter the big bad Hudak image re: chain gangs http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/07/21/christie-blatchford-ontario-judge-lets-perps-walk/ Why scare people into believing that we’ll have criminals in their backyards when Ontario courts let them go anyway.
Seriously? You’re going to make a generalization like that based on:
one judge’s stupid meltdown (sorry, “fit of pique”) on one day when he punished the Crown Prosecutors’ Office by throwing out their whole docket for the day because one prosecutor kept him waiting…. when, as the same article notes, in all likelihood the attorney-general is going to review and overturn that decision and get all those cases back to get sentenced?
Are ALL Con supporters like you and DB: either incapable or too lazy to read and comprehend the full articles you too liberally cite and cherry pick from?
Suzuki is our Al Gore, what an inconvenient truth.