The voice over sounds suspiciously the one used in those absurd Liberal ads at the end of the federal election with the traffic lights attacking Jack Layton or trying to claim that Layton and Harper were flip sides of the same coin…we all know how well those ads worked (not).
Whatever the case may be – I think its a great sign. The Liberals obviously see the orange wave coming and and are stuck grasping at straws. They know the old “strategic voting” canard doesn’t work anymore, so now they are stuck flailing around. I actually think these ads will boost NDP numbers – though in a way that will be helpful to the Liberals. There is a gigantic segment of the population that wants change and is fed up with McGuinty – those people are shifting away from Hudak to the Horwath and the NDP. Historically there are only two reasons people ever have for NOT voting NDP – a) they can’t win and b) they are leftwing extremists who will raise taxes and are in the pocket of the labour movement. Thanks to the results on May 2 – the old “NDP cannot win” argument is dead. So now the Ontario Liberals are doing the NDP a great favour by running ads that remind middle of the road voters that today’s NDP is now pragmatic and moderate – they even agree with the Tories on some issues!
I love it!!!
Of course, I can almost guarantee that as Hudak’s people realize that they are losing too many anti-Liberal votes to the NDP they will start running ads claiming that a vote for Horwath is a vote for McGuinty and that there is no difference between the NDP and the Liberals. So the Liberals say a vote for Horwath is a vote for Hudak and the Tories say a vote for Horwath is a vote for McGuinty. Where does this leave the voters? Watch the new NDP for the answer http://ontariondp.com/en/videos/ondp-tv-ad-shoes
Thanks to the results on May 2 – the old “NDP cannot win” argument is dead.
Don’t want to rain on anyone’s parade, but the Conservatives won the election on May 2. The NDP did well, but they need growth outside of Quebec to win the next federal election.
There are a number of stands the NDP has taken in the Ontario election that aren’t really that progressive. Take their environmental stand.
Take a moment also to consider small business tax cuts. It’s a conservative idea that tax cuts = jobs. Even tax cuts to small business won’t automatically create jobs.
There’s also the idea that it’s the age not the size of the business that matters when it comes to job creation (so grants and loans would be more important in creating jobs than tax cuts).
Say, though, that you want to help small businesses create jobs. as Thomas Walkom points out, small businesses tend to pay their workers less and don’t offer their workers pensions.
Doesn’t mention the things voted against are buried in budgets and other things opposition parties NEVER vote for. How many times did the Fed Liberals vote with the Cons though in the 2008-2011 Parliament?
While this approach is amusing (and true) I am more concerned that no one seems to be going after the policies/uncosted platform the NDP is touting.They have abandoned their long held belief that taxes provide for public services. Their absurd Gasoline HST idea means that the the guy from The Bridle Path driving the big Hummer or SUV benefits more than some one making an effort to drive a small fuel efficient vehicle. And some one so poor they don’t even have a car is subsidizing both of them.
As for their HST position on energy use – again those who make no effort to conserve energy benefit the most. This from a party that claims you can do without nukes by improving conservation efforts their policies actually encourage energy gluttony!
Let’s see if the Libs, PCs and the press start to demand a more careful scruitiny of the platform now that the NDP numbers appear to be holding (or improving).
Thank God we have the Liberal war room to tell us what a ‘real’ New Democrat looks like.
Seriously, do you think we’re idiots? Two parties can vote against the same bill for very different reasons. And just because the Liberals like to put nice names on pieces of legislation, it doesn’t mean the legislation is worth supporting.
The real reason the Liberals are lecturing us on what a ‘real’ New Democrat is?
With the inefficiencies of the Liberal vote in Ontario (ie: federally the NDP and Liberals each took 26% of the vote and that resulted in 22 NDP seats and 11 Liberal) – we could easily be looking at a Tory minority government with the NDP as the official opposition and McGuinty left playing the Dion/Ignatieff game of having to prop them up for the next three years.
I agree DL’s being a bit over the top, Warren, but on these kinds of numbers a Liberal majority is looking increasingly unlikely. I know it’s only two polls, there’s a long way to go, the only poll that counts is the one on election day, etc, but it seems to me that a Liberal-NDP coalition might become a distinct possibility. What say you?
Horwath and Hudak oppose McGuinty for totally different reasons.
Horwath votes against McGuinty because of his prostitution to the rich in this province. Hudak votes against him because he is an even bigger prostitute.
But at the end, both Hudak and McGuinty are corporate prostitutes.
A vote for McGuinty is a vote for Hudak is a vote for corporate prostitution.
Good tack! This messaging is needed as there are too many dipper signs in my neighbourhood as people are riding the orange wave without question.
A vote for Horwath to get rid of Dalton could very well be worse–a vote for a Horwath-McGuinty spending spree.
The voice over sounds suspiciously the one used in those absurd Liberal ads at the end of the federal election with the traffic lights attacking Jack Layton or trying to claim that Layton and Harper were flip sides of the same coin…we all know how well those ads worked (not).
Whatever the case may be – I think its a great sign. The Liberals obviously see the orange wave coming and and are stuck grasping at straws. They know the old “strategic voting” canard doesn’t work anymore, so now they are stuck flailing around. I actually think these ads will boost NDP numbers – though in a way that will be helpful to the Liberals. There is a gigantic segment of the population that wants change and is fed up with McGuinty – those people are shifting away from Hudak to the Horwath and the NDP. Historically there are only two reasons people ever have for NOT voting NDP – a) they can’t win and b) they are leftwing extremists who will raise taxes and are in the pocket of the labour movement. Thanks to the results on May 2 – the old “NDP cannot win” argument is dead. So now the Ontario Liberals are doing the NDP a great favour by running ads that remind middle of the road voters that today’s NDP is now pragmatic and moderate – they even agree with the Tories on some issues!
I love it!!!
Of course, I can almost guarantee that as Hudak’s people realize that they are losing too many anti-Liberal votes to the NDP they will start running ads claiming that a vote for Horwath is a vote for McGuinty and that there is no difference between the NDP and the Liberals. So the Liberals say a vote for Horwath is a vote for Hudak and the Tories say a vote for Horwath is a vote for McGuinty. Where does this leave the voters? Watch the new NDP for the answer http://ontariondp.com/en/videos/ondp-tv-ad-shoes
TL;DR
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tl%3Bdr
She’s definitely not a black or brown shoe girl – those trendy orange pumps will turn heads and most likely quite a few votes!
And yes, Mssrs. All-in-Black, Shoes Maketh the Man who wears them – ask any woman!
Thanks to the results on May 2 – the old “NDP cannot win” argument is dead.
Don’t want to rain on anyone’s parade, but the Conservatives won the election on May 2. The NDP did well, but they need growth outside of Quebec to win the next federal election.
There are a number of stands the NDP has taken in the Ontario election that aren’t really that progressive. Take their environmental stand.
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1046644–cohn-ndp-losing-its-green-allies
Take a moment also to consider small business tax cuts. It’s a conservative idea that tax cuts = jobs. Even tax cuts to small business won’t automatically create jobs.
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/business/Small+business+breaks+backfire+study+says/4865852/story.html
There’s also the idea that it’s the age not the size of the business that matters when it comes to job creation (so grants and loans would be more important in creating jobs than tax cuts).
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39066877/ns/business-small_business/t/small-firms-job-growth-role-may-be-overstated/
Say, though, that you want to help small businesses create jobs. as Thomas Walkom points out, small businesses tend to pay their workers less and don’t offer their workers pensions.
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1055203–walkom-jack-layton-s-ndp-is-raring-to-go-but-where
Three cheers for job creation in an section of the economy that leads to lower paying jobs.
TL;DR
TL;DR – Can you say that ten times in a row without stumbling and with a Lenin-sucker in your mouth? If yes, you are good at it!
Doesn’t mention the things voted against are buried in budgets and other things opposition parties NEVER vote for. How many times did the Fed Liberals vote with the Cons though in the 2008-2011 Parliament?
While this approach is amusing (and true) I am more concerned that no one seems to be going after the policies/uncosted platform the NDP is touting.They have abandoned their long held belief that taxes provide for public services. Their absurd Gasoline HST idea means that the the guy from The Bridle Path driving the big Hummer or SUV benefits more than some one making an effort to drive a small fuel efficient vehicle. And some one so poor they don’t even have a car is subsidizing both of them.
As for their HST position on energy use – again those who make no effort to conserve energy benefit the most. This from a party that claims you can do without nukes by improving conservation efforts their policies actually encourage energy gluttony!
Let’s see if the Libs, PCs and the press start to demand a more careful scruitiny of the platform now that the NDP numbers appear to be holding (or improving).
It’s going to an interesting run to the end.
Thank God we have the Liberal war room to tell us what a ‘real’ New Democrat looks like.
Seriously, do you think we’re idiots? Two parties can vote against the same bill for very different reasons. And just because the Liberals like to put nice names on pieces of legislation, it doesn’t mean the legislation is worth supporting.
The real reason the Liberals are lecturing us on what a ‘real’ New Democrat is?
Angus Reid:
PC 36
Lib 32
NDP 26
183 times. You’re as bad as them.
well done!
It’s almost as if Horwath and Hudak are two sides of the same coin!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-QSgRfjBDs
Leger is now reporting:
PC 36
Lib 33
NDP 29 (!)
With the inefficiencies of the Liberal vote in Ontario (ie: federally the NDP and Liberals each took 26% of the vote and that resulted in 22 NDP seats and 11 Liberal) – we could easily be looking at a Tory minority government with the NDP as the official opposition and McGuinty left playing the Dion/Ignatieff game of having to prop them up for the next three years.
Derek K – I’ll do you one better:
Leger Marketing:
PC 36
Lib 33
NDP 29
Source: http://www.lfpress.com/news/ontarioelection/2011/09/19/18706171.html
The PCs and Libs are within the margin of error — 3.2%. Should be interesting.
The Libs and NDP are also within the margin of error – the Ontario Liberals will finish third if present trends continue.
I swear to God: you are ill. Get help.
I agree DL’s being a bit over the top, Warren, but on these kinds of numbers a Liberal majority is looking increasingly unlikely. I know it’s only two polls, there’s a long way to go, the only poll that counts is the one on election day, etc, but it seems to me that a Liberal-NDP coalition might become a distinct possibility. What say you?
I say we will continue to work like we are way behind. And we will.
Horwath and Hudak oppose McGuinty for totally different reasons.
Horwath votes against McGuinty because of his prostitution to the rich in this province. Hudak votes against him because he is an even bigger prostitute.
But at the end, both Hudak and McGuinty are corporate prostitutes.
A vote for McGuinty is a vote for Hudak is a vote for corporate prostitution.