Most of your contempt for politicians stems from your inability to become one. Everyone knows you were unsuccessful in your own bid to become a Liberal MP. All you can do is write abut MPs since you can’t be one yourself. Truth hurts, doesn’t it?
Don’t sweat it Warren………after all, if you had become a LIberal MP…you would have had to deal with your friends at Earnscliffe such as that a-hole (you know who) and his like minded martin-ites.
Besides…..if you were an MP…you be way at the back with Lizzie May. I’d say you got off lucky.
When someone says “Truth hurts, doesn’t it?”, does it really hurt? Or are they just hurting inside and don’t know how to let other people know?
I think he is giving you a slap, Warren, because deep down he just wants a hug and a “you’re really not that bad, you know” with a playful punch on the shoulder.
Unless that loss 15 years ago or so still stings, then maybe it does hurt and YOU need a hug because “you’re really not that bad, you know”. *punch*
Obamacare is unconstitutional, but seeing the American Supreme Court (or at least, 5 out of 9 of them) twisting itself into knots to claim it is allowable almost makes it worth it.
Besides, I think it was a shame that the richest country in the world had some people who would need to sell their home to give someone a heart bypass. At least now folks won’t have to worry about losing their coverage if they lose their job. Obama’s a screwup in general, and he’s not really qualified to be the president…but hey, at least he got this one right..even if the Supreme Court did not. (try to figure that one out)
I get to drive my kids to school every day, and see them every night. I work with great folks on great files, and I say what I think. I also make more money than I would’ve. I write books, I play in a bunk band with other old geezers. Also, I’m happy – and most MPs I know aren’t.
I disagree about whether Obama is a “screwup in general” or “not really qualified to be the president”– he is a constitutional law professor, a lawyer, a nobel peace prize winner, and a former senator who has saved the US economy (against strong republican opposition), passed the most difficult piece of legislation in a generation (ACA), killed bin laden, ended US torture, wound down two wars, cut the government workforce more than any recent president, and reduced taxes for most americans (again against strong republican opposition). The only thing he has screwed up is that he failed to close the guantanomo bay prison and he failed to charge Bush with war crimes. I wonder how Romney’s qualifications (or Reagan’s for that matter) stack up.
Ya gotta admit, that Nobel peace prize was basically awarded in the spirit of asking him to pretty-please not do most of the things he then went ahead and did. Similarly, his status as a constitutional scholar just makes his administration’s constitutional abuses more egregious.
But this medical care thing certainly isn’t one of those abuses. And he’s certainly *qualified* to be President–much more so than certain others who have held the office recently. That just hasn’t made a whole lot of difference to the quality of his presiding.
GPAlta……if the US Supreme Court came out with a decison saying 2 + 2 = 5….would that make it true just because they said it was true?
As for the Peace Prize Obama received……..as has been mentioned here, it was awarded as a means of trying to direct the type of actions Obama would take as president……it was not awarded because he had in any way earned it.
The Nobel Peace prize has become as useless as the United Nations…..it’s all about the right politics, and not about actual accomplishments.
2 + 2 is not a legal question under their jurisdiction – they do not have the authority to decide that. Constitutionality of US legislation is a different matter. Seems rather straightforward to me.
Obama’s unlikely success in the 2008 election, using small donations to mobilize the previously silent majority, and thereby removing peacefully from office the world’s most powerful and corrupt agent of conflict and violence remains an almost unbelievable victory for world peace and order, very deserving of the prize, in my opinion.
If you think Obama deserved getting the NObel Peace prize for doing,,,,,well, nothing, then you don’t really know what the Peace Prize stands for. In fact, some of the folks on the Nobel committee probably don’t realize it either. Frankly, when Arafat received one……the prize itself became a joke.
The Peace Prize is for the person who “shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses”
If you think that Arafat made it a joke, then you must also think that Rabin and Peres did as well, since their combined work was what was recognized, and they all accepted, and you must be even more enraged about the 1973 award to the formerly warring parties in the Vietnam war. You don’t have to have clean hands to make peace.
The committee said that Obama’s work on controlling loose nuclear weapons, reopening dialogue about climate change, and reopening dialogue with Islamic nations were why they awarded him. If you can think of bigger threats to peace than loose nukes, climate wars, and religious wars at this time in world history, and if you can think of anyone who can do more about those issues than a US president who acts to completely reverse the US position on both climate change and Islam, more power to you, perhaps you should have been on the committee.
I only personally think that preventing the republicans from causing more wars and suffering alone was enough to give him the prize.
Yes siree, good thing JamesHalifax is “educating” everyone on this thread – since apparently even SCOTUS and the Norwegian Nobel Committee are ignorant.
GPAlta…The point was not one of jurisdiction, the point was your insistence that because 5 of 9 people decided something…it must be true. As for anything being straigthforward, then yes….if you believe something simply because an over-hyped, over paid lawyer (sorry Warren) says so….then I guess it would be.
As for your assertion that George Bush was the most corrupt agent in the world…hmm..obviously, you haven’t heard about many of the worlds dictators. One cannot really argue with someone who has “Bush Derangement Syndrome”……..
Roberts was put on the Supreme Court, and made Chief Justice, precisely for these kind of constitutional questions. Both because he was an expert on them AND because he was/is considered a Federalist conservative.
And yet, he still found that Obamacare was constitutional. Along with most constitutional scholars.
You know better than the constitutional institution set up to decide these things, that’s for sure.
And you’re right about Obama not being qualified. At least after the next 4 years, then he’s not. Other than those 2 main points of your post, you got most things correct. Unfortunately you are just 4 years too early for the opinion.
This is classic double-speak. Only NeoCons take majority rulings, however slim, and persist in calling them illegitimate or claim the system is faulty because they lost.
5/4 is a majority.
40% is not a majority.
What the Cons did was they obtained a plurality of votes in a majority of riding (perhaps not if Etobicoke is any example). Hardly a majority.
Chief Justice John Roberts was correct in calling the mandate a tax. Free health care is not free, it costs money to pay doctors, maintain hospitals. Perhaps if Universal health care was sold to the public as follows: would you be willing to pay half as much for health care in taxes VS paying insurance companies who line their pockets with administrative costs? Even the Democratic caucus didn’t have enough votes for a public option. Sometimes you can only accomplish what is possible with the tools that you have.
Americans have fear of “Big Government” for a variety of reasons. This alienation needs to be addressed if problems like health care in the United States are to be solved for real. Bill Clinton tried to do this by making a case for smarter and more efficient government.
Canada is touted as a model, but much of our health care in Canada comes from prescription drugs. The government might pay for those for those who can’t afford them. But most people pay for their drugs through group coverage at their place of employment. And Canada doesn’t cover dental costs — having nice teeth is only a luxury for those who have group coverage at work, or for the well-off. But my co-workers who are from the UK say that socialized dentistry is a nightmare (the “Book of British Smiles” from the Simpsons comes to mind), so perhaps Canada shouldn’t venture in that direction.
I have no illusions that Canada’s health care is perfect and not rationed. I see the lineups in hospital waiting rooms and clinics. I try to take care of my health as much as possible–an ounce of prevention being worth a pound of cure and all that. But at least I don’t have to worry about selling my house if I ever need to visit an emergency room.
Conservative Socialist…..we may have found a common cause.
I too, think that we pay far too much for our drugs. One of the things that sticks in my craw, is the use of Universtiy researchers to make new discoveries, ONLY to lose control of the patent to drug companies that have provided funding. I can’t remember the title of the book, but years ago I read how some Drug companies provide a small percentage of funding to some Universities….but ONLY if they get 100% of the patents on the discoveries.
Why do you think Canadians pay $100 for a prescription that only costs $2 to produce? The Drug companies insist they are paying for the discoveries through their funding of University researches…..but they are receiving benefits far in excess of their respective contributions.
The other huge drain on healthcare is wages and salaries…..but the unions have that locked up tight.
Mitt didn’t work, and he didn’t create jobs. He sucked up jobs and profits and left workers without benefits, workplaces or work. He used other people’s money.
CNN screwed it up too:
http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/browbeat/2012/06/28/CNN_MandateStruckDown.png.CROP.rectangle3-large.png
CNN Spends TEN MINUTES breaking the news that Obamacare is unconstitutional.
http://youtu.be/wm83K-M6-uQ
This is the embarrassing state of affairs in America.
Most of your contempt for politicians stems from your inability to become one. Everyone knows you were unsuccessful in your own bid to become a Liberal MP. All you can do is write abut MPs since you can’t be one yourself. Truth hurts, doesn’t it?
Ouch! That was super mean! C’mon, keep it coming! Give us more, tough guy!
Don’t sweat it Warren………after all, if you had become a LIberal MP…you would have had to deal with your friends at Earnscliffe such as that a-hole (you know who) and his like minded martin-ites.
Besides…..if you were an MP…you be way at the back with Lizzie May. I’d say you got off lucky.
Guess Liam’s theory explains my contempt for assholes.
When someone says “Truth hurts, doesn’t it?”, does it really hurt? Or are they just hurting inside and don’t know how to let other people know?
I think he is giving you a slap, Warren, because deep down he just wants a hug and a “you’re really not that bad, you know” with a playful punch on the shoulder.
Unless that loss 15 years ago or so still stings, then maybe it does hurt and YOU need a hug because “you’re really not that bad, you know”. *punch*
“Right Wing”, “Asswhole”, and “Screwup” (used as a noun) are basically synonymous
Sorry, typed in haste, it is of course asshole, not asswhole, unless of course it could be inferred that they are wholly assholes.
Works both ways! Words are fun.
Your unintended misspelling is actually a perfect neologism for the people who govern us.
Congratulations!
As justice Roberts notes a tax is a tax4
Yes, it certainly is a change from the missionary position.
Obamacare is unconstitutional, but seeing the American Supreme Court (or at least, 5 out of 9 of them) twisting itself into knots to claim it is allowable almost makes it worth it.
Besides, I think it was a shame that the richest country in the world had some people who would need to sell their home to give someone a heart bypass. At least now folks won’t have to worry about losing their coverage if they lose their job. Obama’s a screwup in general, and he’s not really qualified to be the president…but hey, at least he got this one right..even if the Supreme Court did not. (try to figure that one out)
“Obamacare is unconstitutional”
Apparently James from Halifax is more knowledgeable on constitutional law that the Justices of the US Supreme Court. :eyeroll:
Michael, you will note that 4 of the 9 Supreme Court judges agreed with me.
It’s clearly unconsititutional, and the fact the judges had to twist themselves into a knot to pass it is basically proof that they knew it as well.
That being said, you will note that I think it’s long overdue that the USA had some form of coverage for all Americans.
JamesHalifax,
Must come from the same pretzel bag as Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission…n’est-ce pas?
Sorry…not familiar with that particular case
I get to drive my kids to school every day, and see them every night. I work with great folks on great files, and I say what I think. I also make more money than I would’ve. I write books, I play in a bunk band with other old geezers. Also, I’m happy – and most MPs I know aren’t.
I’m glad I lost!
Although being a backbencher is pretty sweet, 160k for doing eff all!
Hey….just imagine those NDP’ers from Quebec who are not yet 25….
They probably feel like they’ve hit the jackpot. Going from minimum wage….to BINGO!!!
If the Supreme Court of the US says it is constitutional, then it is: they get to decide; and on this issue, they agreed with 90% of constitutional legal scholars who were polled about whether they believe it is constitutional http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-22/law-experts-say-health-measure-legal-as-some-doubt-court-agrees.html .
I disagree about whether Obama is a “screwup in general” or “not really qualified to be the president”– he is a constitutional law professor, a lawyer, a nobel peace prize winner, and a former senator who has saved the US economy (against strong republican opposition), passed the most difficult piece of legislation in a generation (ACA), killed bin laden, ended US torture, wound down two wars, cut the government workforce more than any recent president, and reduced taxes for most americans (again against strong republican opposition). The only thing he has screwed up is that he failed to close the guantanomo bay prison and he failed to charge Bush with war crimes. I wonder how Romney’s qualifications (or Reagan’s for that matter) stack up.
Ya gotta admit, that Nobel peace prize was basically awarded in the spirit of asking him to pretty-please not do most of the things he then went ahead and did. Similarly, his status as a constitutional scholar just makes his administration’s constitutional abuses more egregious.
But this medical care thing certainly isn’t one of those abuses. And he’s certainly *qualified* to be President–much more so than certain others who have held the office recently. That just hasn’t made a whole lot of difference to the quality of his presiding.
“Ended US torture”? I hadn’t realized he’d closed SuperMax and similar facilities.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2009/01/21/the-end-of-torture.html
Also http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/175/end-the-use-of-torture/
Status is “promise kept” as of 2011 on politifact
GPAlta……if the US Supreme Court came out with a decison saying 2 + 2 = 5….would that make it true just because they said it was true?
As for the Peace Prize Obama received……..as has been mentioned here, it was awarded as a means of trying to direct the type of actions Obama would take as president……it was not awarded because he had in any way earned it.
The Nobel Peace prize has become as useless as the United Nations…..it’s all about the right politics, and not about actual accomplishments.
2 + 2 is not a legal question under their jurisdiction – they do not have the authority to decide that. Constitutionality of US legislation is a different matter. Seems rather straightforward to me.
Obama’s unlikely success in the 2008 election, using small donations to mobilize the previously silent majority, and thereby removing peacefully from office the world’s most powerful and corrupt agent of conflict and violence remains an almost unbelievable victory for world peace and order, very deserving of the prize, in my opinion.
GPAlta…..
If you think Obama deserved getting the NObel Peace prize for doing,,,,,well, nothing, then you don’t really know what the Peace Prize stands for. In fact, some of the folks on the Nobel committee probably don’t realize it either. Frankly, when Arafat received one……the prize itself became a joke.
The Peace Prize is for the person who “shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses”
If you think that Arafat made it a joke, then you must also think that Rabin and Peres did as well, since their combined work was what was recognized, and they all accepted, and you must be even more enraged about the 1973 award to the formerly warring parties in the Vietnam war. You don’t have to have clean hands to make peace.
The committee said that Obama’s work on controlling loose nuclear weapons, reopening dialogue about climate change, and reopening dialogue with Islamic nations were why they awarded him. If you can think of bigger threats to peace than loose nukes, climate wars, and religious wars at this time in world history, and if you can think of anyone who can do more about those issues than a US president who acts to completely reverse the US position on both climate change and Islam, more power to you, perhaps you should have been on the committee.
I only personally think that preventing the republicans from causing more wars and suffering alone was enough to give him the prize.
Yes siree, good thing JamesHalifax is “educating” everyone on this thread – since apparently even SCOTUS and the Norwegian Nobel Committee are ignorant.
Lucky us.
GPAlta…The point was not one of jurisdiction, the point was your insistence that because 5 of 9 people decided something…it must be true. As for anything being straigthforward, then yes….if you believe something simply because an over-hyped, over paid lawyer (sorry Warren) says so….then I guess it would be.
As for your assertion that George Bush was the most corrupt agent in the world…hmm..obviously, you haven’t heard about many of the worlds dictators. One cannot really argue with someone who has “Bush Derangement Syndrome”……..
Roberts was put on the Supreme Court, and made Chief Justice, precisely for these kind of constitutional questions. Both because he was an expert on them AND because he was/is considered a Federalist conservative.
And yet, he still found that Obamacare was constitutional. Along with most constitutional scholars.
You know better than the constitutional institution set up to decide these things, that’s for sure.
And you’re right about Obama not being qualified. At least after the next 4 years, then he’s not. Other than those 2 main points of your post, you got most things correct. Unfortunately you are just 4 years too early for the opinion.
If you can’t defer expertise to John Fucking Roberts, you’re a conservative hack.
Not that anyone here ever took you seriously. But now you’ve just removed all doubt.
Can we place this guy with a robot that just spews Conservative talking points?
This is classic double-speak. Only NeoCons take majority rulings, however slim, and persist in calling them illegitimate or claim the system is faulty because they lost.
Tired of it all wrote:
“Only NeoCons take majority rulings, however slim, and persist in calling them illegitimate or claim the system is faulty because they lost”
Geez…that sounds a lot like the Liberals and NDP after the last election.
(cue robocall hysterics now….)
5/4 is a majority.
40% is not a majority.
What the Cons did was they obtained a plurality of votes in a majority of riding (perhaps not if Etobicoke is any example). Hardly a majority.
As others pointed out, CNN made the same mistake. BUT, but.. get a load of these Tweets buzzfeed compiled, they are from Americans so disgusted with this decision that they’re going to move to Canada. LOL is all I can say… http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/people-moving-to-canada-because-of-obamacare
How odd that they are not moving to Mexico…………….
Or Somalia. Libertarian paradise.
They are all conservative and they are stupid, those tweeters. Don’t they know that our government has its hands on their medicare?
Chief Justice John Roberts was correct in calling the mandate a tax. Free health care is not free, it costs money to pay doctors, maintain hospitals. Perhaps if Universal health care was sold to the public as follows: would you be willing to pay half as much for health care in taxes VS paying insurance companies who line their pockets with administrative costs? Even the Democratic caucus didn’t have enough votes for a public option. Sometimes you can only accomplish what is possible with the tools that you have.
Americans have fear of “Big Government” for a variety of reasons. This alienation needs to be addressed if problems like health care in the United States are to be solved for real. Bill Clinton tried to do this by making a case for smarter and more efficient government.
Canada is touted as a model, but much of our health care in Canada comes from prescription drugs. The government might pay for those for those who can’t afford them. But most people pay for their drugs through group coverage at their place of employment. And Canada doesn’t cover dental costs — having nice teeth is only a luxury for those who have group coverage at work, or for the well-off. But my co-workers who are from the UK say that socialized dentistry is a nightmare (the “Book of British Smiles” from the Simpsons comes to mind), so perhaps Canada shouldn’t venture in that direction.
I have no illusions that Canada’s health care is perfect and not rationed. I see the lineups in hospital waiting rooms and clinics. I try to take care of my health as much as possible–an ounce of prevention being worth a pound of cure and all that. But at least I don’t have to worry about selling my house if I ever need to visit an emergency room.
Conservative Socialist…..we may have found a common cause.
I too, think that we pay far too much for our drugs. One of the things that sticks in my craw, is the use of Universtiy researchers to make new discoveries, ONLY to lose control of the patent to drug companies that have provided funding. I can’t remember the title of the book, but years ago I read how some Drug companies provide a small percentage of funding to some Universities….but ONLY if they get 100% of the patents on the discoveries.
Why do you think Canadians pay $100 for a prescription that only costs $2 to produce? The Drug companies insist they are paying for the discoveries through their funding of University researches…..but they are receiving benefits far in excess of their respective contributions.
The other huge drain on healthcare is wages and salaries…..but the unions have that locked up tight.
Imagine if this same media were ordered to send us to war!
Justice Roberts to Mitt Romney: ‘Sir you’ll be glad to know that we’ve upheld your healthcare reform law.
http://www.politicalcartoons.com/cartoon/13fcdcdb-1ca1-4cb4-be66-bc2026ef3e20.html
Lord Kitchener…it’s not surprising that Mitt Romney is raising more funds than Obama……..
More of Romney’s supporters actually work and earn a living….than do supporters of Obama.
Obama needs more hollywood stars to throw more parties…..
Source.
Mitt didn’t work, and he didn’t create jobs. He sucked up jobs and profits and left workers without benefits, workplaces or work. He used other people’s money.