06.25.2014 09:21 AM

Ontario is a province divided

Amazing, when you see it like this. And depressing. Reminds me of the federal divide in 1980-1984 period.

43 Comments


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    kenzOs says:

    Tories have severe personal space issues. It’s official.


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      Just askin' says:

      Perhaps people who live in more densely-populated areas feel they get more from government programs than those who live in more rural areas.


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        doconnor says:

        Maybe, but if you look at the numbers, rural areas get more money from the government.


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          Donna says:

          Not true


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            Kaspar Juul says:

            Sigh, Donna… You rent refuting anything with that answer.

            You really are something else aren’t you


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    G. Babbitt says:

    What about the North?


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      Michael S says:

      Should have been made part of Manitoba years ago.


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    Chris says:

    Ok, but was Northwestern Ontario left out because it would have weakened the point that he is trying to make with this graph?

    He stopped at Nippissing and Parry Sound otherwise there would have been 6 orange and 3 red dots at the bottom of the graph. Odd choice.


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      Chris says:

      You want to talk about divided, we don’t even rate inclusion in the graph, I guess.


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        Tim says:

        Garbage in. Garbage out. Facts are cool. People who ignore them, not so much. Truthiness and all that. Unexpected on this website.


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      socks clinton says:

      Look at the snobs going to University of Western which is really in the middle of the province in the quadrant South Western Ontario whatever that’s supposed to be.


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      jeff316 says:

      Although including Thunder Bay and Sault Ste Marie may seem like it would weaken the argument, the results in both ridings support the general assertion. Liberal support is strongest in the urban areas in each one -population density in urban Sault Ste Marie is above 1k and in urban TB its around 600.


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    Apostate says:

    I am hoping that Premier Wynne will be successful when she says hers will be a gov’t for all Ontarians……but it looks like a tough slog ahead…..


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    Coelocanth_Jones says:

    I don’t think it was ever a secret that ontario has long experienced a pronounced big p progressive/small c conservative urban/rural divide. It’d be neat to see other provinces compared


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    Roy says:

    Moronto is Liberal Red because it’s a cesspool of Deviancy and Degradation of the Soul…. so obvious.


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      Kaspar Juul says:

      Geez Roy, you sound like you have issues…


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      Coelocanth_Jones says:

      110 gay and/or trans couples will be mass married in Toronto this weekend, does that make your peabrained head explode? Just shove some garlic into your pocket or something, only way to protect you country folk from us


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        Donna says:

        Coelocanth_Jones,, it is remarks such as yours that alienate us “country folk” who provide your food, your energy, your landfills, your camping grounds, etc. Your outlook will only cause more divide.


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          Kaspar Juul says:

          Oh please. You are always calling people far more offensive things. Your posting history here is pretty much you flying off the handle and then resorting to foul language.

          Nice try Donna, but someone have heard the stream of expletives your sometimes call opinion


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    david ray says:

    wine with a beer chaser. seems about right.


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    Iris Mclean says:

    Leeds-Grenville, where I reside, has been exclusively and proudly Conservative (provincially) for over a hundred years! Voting in this riding is a depressing exercise.


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      Just askin' says:

      I find it disappointing when people look down on their fellow citizens because their politics are different.


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        que sera sera says:

        Particularly when it’s the Prime Minister doing so.


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    Liam Young says:

    Interesting! Thanks for putting this together.
    My conclusions: a low population density = greater likelihood of reliance on your neighbours (ie. more likelihood of anti-social behaviour). Conservative platforms reflect this perfectly.


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      Lance says:

      LOL Is that your professional opinion?


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      TrueNorthist says:

      Your comment is bigoted, intolerant and anti-social. My guess is you live in a city. Whoopsee daisy.


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        Warren says:

        Hey, don’t bring Daisy in on this!


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      Donna says:

      Pretty poor conclusions! Greater liklhood of reliance on your neighbours = more social behaviour. We don’t have big paid services like fire fighters… we still have volunteer firemen… our neighbours.. who are greatly trained and reliable. your comments show such urban ignorance.
      And so interesting to note that the second candidate was quite often NDP! Liberals just cater to what the urban want to hear….


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        Kaspar Juul says:

        Come on Donna, you’re comments show just as much ignorance and bile about urban Canadians even more.


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    Cameron Prymak says:

    WK – Here in our Parry Sound-Muskoka riding the voters sent Norm Miller back to Queen’s Park, however if you look at the split across the parties on the left, there was again more votes cast for the left than for the right.

    My observation is to suggest we look at the experienes of the Republican Party – the DNA of that party is changing before our eyes, it’s moving further to the right and at a speed that boggles the mind.

    This internal takeover, as opposed to a bolt-on unification of parties is what I think the future holds, whether the host party be on the right or left.


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    Kaiser Helmets 'n Motorbikes says:

    Amazing graphic.

    I grew up in a small town in the rural backwater of Nova Scotia a couple of lifetimes ago. Although we had school buses, they were for the “country kids” who made up 2/3 of the school. I can still still the boys and girls stepping off the bus in their dirty work boots. While I had it easy delivering newspapers to the townsfolk each morning, those kids had been up since 5:00 AM milking cows, feeding chickens, and God only knows what else.

    When I was 16 I left that godforsaken little town and took the first bus to basic training. I remember sitting in the barracks one night cleaning my old FN rifle and thinking to myself that this was a piece of cake. Three meals a day, all the ammo I could fire, and a free education in the fall. Compared to working on one of those subsistence farms, the CF was like disneyland. In time I moved to “the big city”, joined a big church, and learned every god dammed big word in the dictionary. And I mean every.single.word. I live in a core of a city now, and will never leave. I don’t even like going to the park.

    The PC party needs to accept the fact that Ontario has become an urban society and that it is human nature to desire increased involvement of government in your life when you live like lemmings in breeding pens. There is nothing “right or left” about it. When your neighbour’s noisy AC unit is five feet from your kitchen window, government has an increased role to play in mitigating conflict. The Liberal party understood this fact of Canadian life and adapted in the 20th century. It is long past time for my beloved PC’s and C’s learned to embrace Canada, the real Canada.


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      Kaspar Juul says:

      I live in the most densely populated city in Canada and there’s no air conditioner anywhere near my kitchen window nor anyone else in my neighbourhood. I haven’t been able to take the milk of my neighbours table from my living room window since I lived in Brixton in 1997.

      Folksy yes, but your metaphors hardly illustrate what urban life is like in Canada.

      Then again some people like their folk tales


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      Just askin' says:

      Time for Toronto to secede, eh?


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      Donna says:

      I was raised in cities as my dad was in the armed forces, So happy to live in rural now. People respect the environment – they really don’t think we need to provide Tornoto with landfills, energy , gas lines, windmills, – when in our Township our recylcing is more than our garbage, we don’t use AC – we open windows, We farm, organic and conventional in order to provide the masses with safe quality food. People work hard, honest work and they look out for one another. Urban and Rural live different lifestyles… does that mean one is lesser than the other ? NO. However, it is obvious to us in agriculture which party respects and works for agriculture. A party in Ontario has to cater to urban voters.


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        Kaspar Juul says:

        You speak for all of agriculture?

        You realize urban people are your customers

        Maybe you should try bukiding bridges instead of walls


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    Matt says:

    Well, the PC’s have 4 years to pick a leader and craft polict to try and turn some of those densely populated red dots blue.

    Of course Wynne will be trying to figure out how to turn some of those sparsely populated blue dots red at the same time.


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      Matt says:

      That should read pick a leader and craft policy.


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    Kelly says:

    I grew up in a small town out west and I guess you could say I was a conservative until just before university when I went to Germany to study for a bit. It changed me forever. I saw first hand the benefits of pragmatic social democracy. I thought holy $#!t these Germans are better than us at pretty much everything — and they mostly still are except in a few areas most of the world doesn’t really care about.

    Germany at that time was West Germany. Extremely densely populated and conservative in a non ideological way. Responsibility order stability and security — you know REAL conservatism. Here phony conservatives create chaos instability risk and behave irresponsibly. The CCF were real conservatives. Hugh Segal is a real conservative. They realize everyone is better off when more people at the bottom have a chance to participate in the economy. Phony cons kick people out of the economy. Rural people are better off without failed phony conservatives at the helm.


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    Jim McShane says:

    Hey Warren, even more disturbing is that your Ontario seems to end at your cottage! Take a drive up Hwy 11, there is a whole bunch of province up there! Come back by hwy 17, still more Ontarians!


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      Warren says:

      Weird, eh? Did the person(s) who did it forget, or is there a longer list somewhere?


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    Jon Powers says:

    Perhaps it’s time the good people of Toronto put up a wind farm on the waterfront, to prove how committed they are to the green movement. If we in rural Ontario have to look at them every time we step out the door, why shouldn’t the people of Toronto?


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    James Bow says:

    I was wondering the same thing, myself: where’s the north? But in a strange way, that increases the point of a province divided. 🙂


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    Jayson says:

    All this graph does is confirm how corrupt and morally bankrupt Torontonians have become. A majority government as a reward to the most corrupt party in the provinces history? Elected largely on the backs of GTA voters.Even the slimeball OPPA waded into the fray, clearly bending, if not outright breaking the law during the election. It has become a case of” give us urban citizens what we want, follow our path of social engineering, and , pay for it too, or we will simply steal it from you, or strong arm you with our union pals” Toronto, and a large part of Ontario is a high tax, indebted socialist corrupt dump now, just like Montreal.

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