01.06.2017 05:08 PM

Unpresident Trump: puppet to Russia or traitor to the United States

He’s one of those things. 

He either knew Russia was attacking the U.S. in a way that constitutes an act of war – in which case he has committed treason. 

That, or he didn’t know, but – now knowing – still cravenly defends Russia. Which isn’t treason, per se. It just makes him a puppet and a pathetic coward. 

Either way, I’d say he belongs behind bars. If the United States is still a democracy that has the rule of law, that’s where he is headed. 


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    dave constable says:

    7 pages on RT?

    I especially like the ” In an effort to highlight the ‘lack of democracy’ in the United States, RT broadcast, hosted and advertised third party candidate debates and ran reporting supportive of the political agenda of these candidates. The RT hosts asserted tha the two party system does not represent the views of at least one-third of the population and is a ‘sham.'”

    I caught a some of that debates. Host were Americans Tabetha Wallace, Sean Stone and Tyrell Ventura (son of Jesse…a sure sign of subversion). Green, Stein and Libertarian, Johnson, gave their best. If you refuse to give evidence ( because you just know traitorous computer nerds will rip it apart), then you have to scatter bird shot all over the place.

    Anyone checking for substance to Assange and Murray’s claims?

    I won’t laugh, though, because we good guys, NATO, are unloading even more hardware and troops in the Baltic states as I type. That includes maybe 1 000 more Canadians. How many do we have there now?

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    Kelly says:

    Sorry, but as much of a dangerous untrustworthy fascist as Trump is, the CIA is worse. Their JOB is to disrupt other governments around the world. Why would we trust them, again?

    Also, let’s not forget that the leaks (they were likely leaks not hacks according to Binney and McGovern http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-hacking-intelligence-20170105-story.html) revealed grossly unethical, biased behaviour on the part of Democratic Party leadership. The story should be, U.S. intelligence community confirms that Democratic Party leadership attempted to sabotage Bernie Sanders’ campaign.

    No people did not vote for Trump because of Putin, they voted for him because of Hillary and the Democratic Party leadership who forgot about the purpose of their party.

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      Mike says:

      So people that supported Sanders voted for Trump? Isn’t that a severe case of cutting off your nose to spite your face?

      Or they stayed home and allowed Trump to win? Something that the person they so adamantly supported asked them not to do, and warned them about the consequences?

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    Daryl gordon says:

    Even the saintly NY TIMES admits that there is no conclusive evidence of Russian involvement. The source Wikileaks states it was not a government but was a leak from inside the DMC. Plenty of disgruntled Sanders supporters, just as many trampled by Clinton on the way to her coronation. The security used by the DMC was laughable, Podesta fell for a common phishing scam email. Sort of like the security protecting Clinton’ s illegal server. Nothing.

    No one believes mainstream media or anything coming out of Obama’s talking heads. Democrats can’t get over losing in the biggest political upset ever and are trying anything to discredit the new administration. What happened to “We’re all Americans” I guess it doesn’t apply when you are the big losers.

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      The Doctor says:

      Interesting how Trump toady talking points are basically identical to Kremlin troll talking points.

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    Sean McLaughlin says:

    I have a great deal of respect for Obama, but I’ll lose most of it if he limits himself to expelling Russian diplomats and seizing a couple of properties. Both the Wall Street Journal and Bloomberg have suggested his best revenge would be to release a detailed forensic accounting of the vast fortune Putin has accumulated by bilking his own people for over two decades. It’s widely assumed that he’s one of the world’s richest men, and I’ve seen estimates in credible outlets that he has between $80-200 billion. We’re only five years removed from major anti-Putin street protests, which came even as ordinary Russians were enjoying the benefits of long, commodity-fuelled boom. How much patience do his people really have with their economy contracting? If he’s going to interfere in an American election as revenge for unfounded claims that Hillary Clinton sowed unrest after the last Russian one, Obama might as well make it as difficult as possible for him to govern in the months ahead.

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      dave constable says:

      Could be that Putin is guilty of what the allegation…but this allegation enriching one’s self is a part of the off-the-shelf vilification of whomever it is Washington wants us to hate.

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    Kalford says:

    I read the full report (several times actually – its a geek thing) and what I see is basically what amounts to several accusations that seem largely based on politically convenient innuendo and a hasty jump to unsubstantiated (and possibly dangerous) conclusions. Admittedly, it does provide a long list of very credible mitigation techniques and some sound cyber-security advice. . . but what it appears to be completely lacking are hard facts and/or any presentation of solid evidence to give any serious weight to the extraordinary conclusion(s) being made by you political types.

    What??? How dare I question the authority and abilities of the FBI and the CIA. . . . .well. . .. let just put it this way. . . .the FBI spent several years chasing their own tails in trying nail Kevin Mitnick. . . but when Mitdick targeted (and severely pissed off) a few good private security experts. . . it took them mere weeks to track him down.

    There was another hacker who gained some substantial notoriety when he created and unleashed “The Beast” trojan (that nasty and almost undetectable bit of code was in the wild around 15 years back). Again, authorities had little to no success in identifying and nailing him. But he too raised the ire of some whitehat security geeks . . . and as a result was identified and tracked down in less than two days. . . . alas . . .turns out that he come with the glitz and glamour of one of those mythical russian operatives that some in the cyber-security circles believed him to be. . .no he was just another up-to-no-good hacker with the same egotistical streak, punk arrogance and visions of self-grandeur that brought Mitdick down.

    While the two of them did have abilities that were exceptional good (though not as good as their myth), neither of the two possessed the skill-sets and tools that would be available to Russian operatives to compromise and subvert computer systems. In fact, with the blackhat tools that are available on the internet today, even an advance level script kiddy could pull off the sort of phishing scam compromise described in that report. . .and they wouldn’t even need to leave a traceable footprint in doing so. (at least not a real one).

    Now that’s not to say that I would one blindly rule out Russian meddling in this and other US Elections. . . .nope, in fact that their meddling is just as guaranteed as the subversive meddling into other countries’ elections and affairs by American administrations . . . past and present.

    But would I blindly believe the current raging narrative that “It is a fact supported by hard evidence that Russia was hacking the US election”. . . .lol maybe if i was the PR guy or senior manager in a Dilbert cartoon.

    On a similar note: I’m patiently waiting for Obama to impose the same sort of sanctions (as he did on Russia) upon those responsible for trying to hack into in the State of Georgia’s voter system. Na probably not eh – that wouldn’t fit the narrative.

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      Kalford says:

      my mistake. . . I thought that screen grab above was from this Joint Analysis Report. . . https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/default/files/publications/JAR_16-20296A_GRIZZLY%20STEPPE-2016-1229.pdf

      Just finished reading through this new report. . . . it appears to be just a replay of the same narrative. . .but nothing new or compelling to support or increase confidence in their claims.

      That RT playlist sounds an awful lot like it could have been scooped from the CBC line-up. I sure hope Obama doesn’t sanction Canada as well. 🙂

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      The Doctor says:

      How are the sandwiches at the Kremlin troll factory today?

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    Tim White says:

    Oceania and Eurasia are now at peace. Eastasia is now the enemy. Good luck to Canada and Mexico ducking the crossfire from the changeover.
    This was already in the pipeline. Already underway. It’s just coming with a new spin. As much as I hope you are right, I don’t think Donald Trump is heading for jail any time soon.

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    rumleyfips says:

    Months ago Equador cut Assange off to stop him interfering in the US election.

    Sure the CIA tilted elections and that was wrong. Now the Kremlin has done the same and it is good because they are not the CIA. You have just faile Logoc 100.

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      Kelly says:

      It’s not good, it’s just that we can’t let the Democrats or the security establishment imply that that the USA and its bent over allies are honest and don’t engage in the same — and worse – – activity. BOTH parties are lousy, full of wealthy phonies and utterly uninterested in sharing power with the Plebeian hordes who are reluctantly allowed to vote. .

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    Tim Sullivan says:

    He invited Russia to hack HRC. That’s not being a tool, really.

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    Charlie says:

    Imagine if the tables had been turned and it was Clinton who benefited from Russia’s hacking. Imagine if it came to light tomorrow that due to foreign interference, Clinton may have successfully garnered more votes than Trump under false pretences. Or, imagine asking Trump, back in September, what he thought about the legitimacy and security of the American democratic system and what the response should be if an iota of evidence pointing towards undue influence against him came to light.

    All said and done, Trump and his cheerleading squad aren’t doing themselves any favours by vociferously siding with Russia. They would be mistaken to believe that everyone who voted for Trump would be willing to stick by him if this narrative of duplicity keeps growing.

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    rumleyfips says:

    Trumpaloonies keep trumpeting the CIA fail on weapons of mass distraction. This is, of course, just more disinformation. The CIA got it right but the intelligence was falsified by Republican politicians.

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    Sean McLaughlin says:

    It’s not just interfering in the last US election and pilfering billions of dollars from the state. Other nefarious acts that have look like they have Putin’s fingerprints on them include:

    * the September 1999 apartment bombings that left 293 dead and served as a pretext for the second Chechen War
    * war crimes in Chechnya (tens of thousands of civilians killed)
    * war with Georgia in 2008 that forced 15,000 Georgian refugees out of South Ossetia
    * fomenting a civil war in eastern Ukraine that has killed 2300 civilians and turned 1.4 million into refugees
    * the attack on Malaysian Airlines flight 17 by Russian-supported Ukrainian militiamen, killing 298
    * indiscriminate attacks on civilians in Aleppo

    For the sake of keeping the conversation on target, I’m not even going to add the suspicious murders of journalists and the virulent anti-LGBT culture he has encouraged.

    Given the terror and bloodshed he’s unleashed at home and abroad, you might well consider him a much better-resourced version of Qaddafi. Sens. John McCain and Lindsey Graham, Republicans we should take seriously when it comes to national security, know this and want to get tough on him.

    I have nothing against people who don’t want to read about this because it’s depressing or they’re not interested in international relations, but to deny that Putin is a malevolent force in the world? That I simply cannot understand.

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      Kelly says:

      He is a malevolent force but hardly worse than the US, UK, France. Read Confessions of an Economic Hitman by John Perkins, sometime. Chomsky, Zinn, Hedges, etc. The US can’t be allowed a get out of jail free card by spinning themselves as innocent in comparison to Russia. BOTH countries are bad news, in terms of their plutocracy and war making.

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        The Doctor says:

        Why don’t you go have a chat with Garry Kasparov or Bill Browder (I’d say go have a chat with Sergei Magnitsky but Putin had him tortured and murdered). They’ll set your fucked-up undergraduate moral equivalency straight.

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      dave constable says:

      Yes, I always thought a clear connection between those apartment bombings and the 2nd Chechnyan War.
      I’m not sure about South Ossetia: I thought people in South Ossetia really did want out form under the regime in Georgia.
      I lean toward us being the fomenters of the civil war in Ukraine. We supported the soccer thugs and the right wing politicians who took over. Besides Americans like McCain and Graham being there, some of our own politicians, who constantly talk hatred of Russians, were there. I think the referendum in Crimea was on the up and up, that the coup government supporters did carry out some violent crimes (burning to death those people in Odessa was a crime), and, at first, the resistance in East Ukraine against the new regulations, especially regarding language use (rescinded only after our intervention – but those regs indicated which way that government was going.) KIev sent the military to attack East Ukraine.
      The Flight 17 was odd. Who sent a passenger plane into space where Ukrainian air force was carrying out bombing raids? Assumption the East Ukrainians were Russian supported could use some detail.
      I agree about Syrian bombing. Our media did leave out reports of our jihadist allies shelling civilians in West Aleppo and in escape corridors, though.

      I think the anti LGBT was passed by the Duma, and carried out by the executive.
      I agree with suspicious murders of journalists (Russian versions of Gary Webb and other whistle blowers such as David Kelly come to mind)

      I’ve mentioned I see McCain and Graham as war mongers.
      But generally, Putin seems to me a machiavellian who goes to great lengths to maintain and strengthen Russia. His Russia doesn’t threaten us…unless you are talking about (always unspecified) free world interests in Russia’s part of the world.

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    dave constable says:

    Odds are it was a leak, not a hack.

    This blame Russia sure takes away any concerns about NSA spying, and it left the story about the changes to the regulations regarding getting warrants allowing FBI to crash any internet communications anywhere. This, plus the ‘fake news’ campaign, is covering a government grab for internet control.

    How about USA business sue the USA government for loss of profits for no good reason because they lost business with the 35 or so Russian diplomats expelled. Force their own government o bring its ‘evidence’ into a civil court!

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      Scotian says:

      Odds? Based on what specifically are you making this claim? Please cite you evidence or at the very minimum your basis for making such a claim, or is this just your gut feeling talking?

      Seriously, there is overwhelming evidence and just just from the public but also from the private security cyber security sector that Russia was engaged in high level massive hacking of the American political parties, and appear to have managed to breach both yet only released one side’s during the election.

      While I quite agree that the US hands in such matters are not lily white, that does not mean what Russia did was typical, nor simple both siderism stuff. As to your conspiracy theory explanation, I’m sure you can document and substantiate that as the “real” explanation for this fake according to you hacking charge by the united intelligence community of the US and private cyber security firms.

      Odds are you are either a propagandist, a useful idiot, or just plain stupid. And I have provided a better case to make that argument than you have to make yours about leak versus hack. Which is kinda the entire point I’m making, and why your comment is particularly vacuous and tin foil laden.

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        dave constable says:

        1. Craig Murray, the Brit ambassador to Uzbekistan fired for spilling the goods on the brutality of that regime about 15 years ago, and was later head of university in Ireland, cooperates with Wiki. He says he traveled to USA to get the insider leak from the DNC turncoat who might have been disgusted at the DNC tilt against the Sanders campaign. He won’t reveal the identity of the person he go the info from. But he says he returned to Brit with the e mails.

        2. You can find on several sites on the internet pieces by people who claim to know USA intelligence systems, and say that the Russian hacks are unlikely, or impossible. A recent letter/essay on this is by William Binney, Mike Gravel, Larry Johnson, Ray McGovern, Elizabeth Murray, and Kirk Wiebe. Should be easy to find!

        3. intell hearings McCain and crew carried out had the intell chiefs saying ‘could be,’ possibly,’ ‘might,’ and assorted other conditional words and phrases…and the allegations come from people who claimed to congress that the NSA does not spy on the American people (back in pre Snowden days).

        4. The blame the Russians has been going on for a few years now, and this fits that narrative. As I mentioned, no one is talking about who bugged Merkel’s phone any more, and the NDAA changes you had to really search to find out what kind of internet grab by government they included.

        You are right…the intel spokespersons are ‘suggesting ‘ a hack, and piles of politicians down there, plus media are claiming a Russian meddling based on what they say is the evidence. But if there is any evidence, it is hidden because of national security…one of the usual excuses for not revealing info to us.
        It also seems odd to me to holler about foreign meddling in the election when in 2012 we saw blatant meddling by Netanyahu and by the Saudis. Both regimes are very keen on their favourites winning this election as well. singling out Russia fits too nicely into a vilification campaign we have see since at least 2010.

        You might be right. The American intell and usual suspects might be telling the truth this time, but the odds for me are that they are doing what they have done before and manipulating info unfairly. ..and odds are that it was a leak not a hack.

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          dave constable says:

          scotian…the article in the Baltimore Sun by Binney and McGovern is a quicker read, but covers a couple of the main points they make in longer pieces. The article is titled “E Mails Were Leaked, Not Hacked”

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    Boris says:

    From “Assessing Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent US Elections” report made public.

    From the Report on Page 11:

    “Putin most likely wanted to discredit Secretary Clinton because he has publicly blamed her since 2011 for inciting mass protests against his regime in late 2011 and early 2012, and because he holds a grudge for comments he almost certainly saw as disparaging him.”

    • So, there is Putin’s motive to destroy Hillary, and boy did he do a good job tit-for-tat!

    “trying to influence the US election, we assess the Kremlin sought to advance its longstanding desire to undermine the US-led liberal democratic order, the promotion of which Putin and other senior Russian leaders view as a threat to Russia and Putin’s regime.”

    • Yup, “the liberal-led democratic order”…. which clearly places the Agencies on the left wing of the political spectrum. Time for a house cleaning!

    “Moscow also saw the election of President-elect Trump as a way to achieve an international counterterrorism coalition against the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL).”

    • So, Putin views Obama and Clinton as no help effectively battling ISIL and the other terrorist groups who were trying to overthrow the Assad regime the Russian ally in the ME.

    The report reeks with previously ‘leaked’ comments given to the liberal-biased media order… courtesy of the politicized CIA et al ….!!!

    It could be argued that Putin saved American democracy by exposing the dirt and corruption within the DNC and it’s screwing of Bernie Sander, and the leaking of presidential debate questions to the Hillary camp with the help of the liberal media maggots who campaigned non-stop for Hillary. This is what was leaked through Wikileaks, nothing more!!!

    Trump had Putin on his side while Hillary had the crooked media and establishment politicians on her side…. and now the liberal infested security agencies reveal themselves as anti-Trump collaborators.

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    sean says:

    no proof as usual just what the US political establishment throws out in desperation. I get biased people gleaming on to the Russia Hack story. How about just addressing what was in the emails, there was truth and Liberals avoid it like the plague. http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2017/january/06/is-that-all-there-is-intel-community-releases-its-russia-hacking-report/

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    sean says:

    no proof as usual just what the US political establishment throws out in desperation. I get biased people gleaming on to the Russia Hack story. How about just addressing what was in the emails, there was truth and Liberals avoid it like the plague. http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2017/january/06/is-that-all-there-is-intel-community-releases-its-russia-hacking-report/

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      The Doctor says:

      Hey Boris, how are the sandwiches in the Kremlin troll factory today?

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