— Musings —10.08.2019 07:41 AM
Singh, gold. Scheer, silver. May, bronze. Mr. Grecian Formula: did not qualify.
I was on Newstalk 1010 late last night for the debate. Here’s some of the commentary as it happened. And, below, are some of my tweets, gratis!
That’s my point. It’s not being controlled at all. It’s going to be a fucking circus. There are too many people there – politicians and journalists – jousting for attention. It’ll be shit TV. #elxn43 #cdnpoli https://t.co/8zrK0MocRf
— Warren Kinsella (@kinsellawarren) October 7, 2019
Did they dye @JustinTrudeau’a hair? WTF? #cdnpoli #elxn43
— Warren Kinsella (@kinsellawarren) October 7, 2019
“Darkest parts of Twitter.” Good line by @AndrewScheer to Canada’s David Duke. #cdnpoli #elxn43
— Warren Kinsella (@kinsellawarren) October 7, 2019
Trudeau invisible 15 minutes in. #cdnpoli #elxn43
— Warren Kinsella (@kinsellawarren) October 7, 2019
Ford and Kenney reference! DRINK #ELXN43 #cdnpoli
— Warren Kinsella (@kinsellawarren) October 7, 2019
Singh totally comfortable. Owning this. #elxn43 #cdnpoli
— Warren Kinsella (@kinsellawarren) October 7, 2019
This is the @theJagmeetSingh show. #elxn43 #cdnpoli
— Warren Kinsella (@kinsellawarren) October 7, 2019
Trudeau’s answer on racism just made me throw up in my mouth. #elxn43 #cdnpoli
— Warren Kinsella (@kinsellawarren) October 7, 2019
Debate starts at 4 in B.C. That is a disgrace. Central Canadian bullshit. #elxn43 #cdnpoli
— Warren Kinsella (@kinsellawarren) October 7, 2019
Where has this guy been for the past two years? @theJagmeetSingh
— Warren Kinsella (@kinsellawarren) October 7, 2019
Trudeau just lied about #LavScam. Total bald-faced lie – that the @globeandmail was wrong. That’s not what the Ethics Commissioner said. #elxn43 #cdnpoli
— Warren Kinsella (@kinsellawarren) October 7, 2019
Goodbye @althiaraj. You’re wanted back at PMO. Your boss Susan Delacourt is taking over. #cdnpoli
— Warren Kinsella (@kinsellawarren) October 7, 2019
Scheer just brutalized Trudeau on his firing of @Puglaas. Was epic. #cdnpoli
— Warren Kinsella (@kinsellawarren) October 7, 2019
He’s losing. This is the Singh and Scheer show. #cdnpoli https://t.co/FFFPYU1RKV
— Warren Kinsella (@kinsellawarren) October 7, 2019
This Trudeau segment was brought to you by pic.twitter.com/Oe7s2iqQUP
— Warren Kinsella (@kinsellawarren) October 8, 2019
Boy, Susan Delacourt sure is a great moderator, said no one as they turned to the Leafs game. #cdnpoli
— Warren Kinsella (@kinsellawarren) October 8, 2019
Trudeau pushed to have Bernier on this to hurt Scheer. It’s made Scheer look moderate. ##cdnpoli #elxn43
— Warren Kinsella (@kinsellawarren) October 8, 2019
If you drink every time Trudeau has mentioned Harper, you’re dead of alcohol poisoning by now. #cdnpoli
— Warren Kinsella (@kinsellawarren) October 8, 2019
My friends at @NEWSTALK1010, the only people left in Canada watching this debate. #elxn43 #cdnpoli pic.twitter.com/fNwhF4bCpK
— Warren Kinsella (@kinsellawarren) October 8, 2019
Scheer and Singh bromance. It’s happening. #cdnpoli
— Warren Kinsella (@kinsellawarren) October 8, 2019
The same people who prepped Trudeau for this debate are the same people who told him not to worry about #LavScam, Admiral Norman and blackface. #cdnpoli #elxn43
— Warren Kinsella (@kinsellawarren) October 8, 2019
Trudeau has not won a single exchange. Not even on abortion. Amazing. #cdnpoli
— Warren Kinsella (@kinsellawarren) October 8, 2019
Trudeau stumbling on words. Scattered answers. Gulping to breathe. Not the great communicator tonight. #cdnpoli
— Warren Kinsella (@kinsellawarren) October 8, 2019
“Go run in provincial politics.” Scheer to Trudeau. OUCH. #cdnpoli
— Warren Kinsella (@kinsellawarren) October 8, 2019
My take on @NEWSTALK1010: @theJagmeetSingh gold. @AndrewScheer silver. @ElizabethMay bronze. @JustinTrudeau did not compete. #elxn43 #cdnpoli pic.twitter.com/A1fhTIIGYW
— Warren Kinsella (@kinsellawarren) October 8, 2019
The night belonged to Jagmeet Singh. Will it be enough to bleed progressive votes away from the Liberals?
Douglas,
How many of Singh’s possible votes watched this charade of a debate all the way through (if at all) would be the question. Anyone know the ratings?
Best possible outcome would be the NDP take back the votes they lost to Trudeau’s smarmy grin and promises on electoral reform. What surprises me, is Singh is not particularly vocal on this?
My hope there’s a lot of disenchanted blue liberals who see Trudeau as the phoney and fraud that he is, will vote conservative. I don’t see the young and indigenous vote rushing out to vote for Trudeau as in 2015 – the NDP and greens will split them. I predict a much lower turnout overall and that should benefit Scheer – conservatives will get out and vote. Let’s hope!
Trudeau – Not As Advertised.
I teach at a university. I asked my class of ~50 students this morning how many watched the debate. Answer: 2.
I do hope that the 20 reporters out in BC supposedly digging up (or, is it burying?) dirt on Justin can reveal the real reason why he left his job before the election. How many people who quit a job get a law firm to arrange the separation????? Nada. He was fired.
Scheer said if you repeat a lie often enough people believe it and then he repeated his lie about the carbon tax.
How many actual and potential Con votes do you think are out there that won’t end up going to Scheer because they don’t like his climate change policies?
With the polls where they are, it wouldn’t take many to go from Conservative majority to Liberal majority.
I’m sure there are some, or they wouldn’t pretend to care, especially with People’s Party drawing thier support.
Peter,
In my book, Scheer’s plan is absolute nonsense but I want Trudeau out so…
Singh would not be a good PM but did his best and did well. Trudeau is hopefully heading back to BC to try find his missing teachers degree, May May as well look to kindergartens maintenance as a career. Scheer did enough to demonstrate he’s ready for prime time and should be given the mantle
Randy,
More like half-ready…but the CPC has got my vote to help jettison Justin.
I am highly skeptical debates move the needle at all anymore. Most people have already made up their mind and the people who haven’t aren’t as likely to vote anyway.
Joseph,
Agreed. And with Liberal support likely softer than for the other progressive parties…some Liberals have already been diagnosed with Justin-Fatigue.
Two best lines of the debate?
1. Grecian Formula
2. Harper, Drink
Agreed: too many leaders, too many moderators. Production was a mess. I’m also sick of media always declaring there was no knockout punch, when it is plainly obvious that JT was crushed repeatedly like an empty can of buck a beer.
May: she sure loves Yellowknife
JT: run down in broad daylight and everyone knows it. The exchange re. JWR is the only thing most viewers will take away from the evening and Scheer was smart to get it in early.
Scheer: reminded about 40% of Canadians what they grudgingly liked about Harper
Blanchet: carries on well with the BQ tradition of smart ass complainy-head leaders. Also has a career in radio broadcasting with that voice if politics doesn’t work out.
Singh: reasonable, sincere… doesn’t win the race.
Warren, why the silence on the Buffalo Chronicle story about PM JT? Everywhere? Libel laws in Canada?
Oh, it’s a fake news site.
The Buffalo Chronicle is not generally considered to be a reputable source.
I’ve enjoyed your site for a long time. I tend to agree with most of your commentary and over the last four years, have certainly had reason to become disenfranchised with politics as a whole.
I had to comment though, I don’t love your continued comments on Trudeau possibly having coloured his hair. I find it distasteful. We would be critical of someone who commented on a woman who may have coloured their hair. Who cares if he did, it’s a non-issue, certainly non impactful to his abilities or inabilities as a leader. I have long regretted the day I complimented on my (male) manager’s hair after he had lightly coloured to remove the grey.
I think it’s the tone-deafness given l’Affair Blackface.
I doubt it would be controversial had any of the other leaders coloured their hair, with the possible exception of Elizabeth given her green platform.
Really was interesting in light of recent comments to see all those so-called reporters giving their opinions on what happened instead of just reporting the debate.
They were almost acting like pundits! LOL!
Sorry couldn’t resist – but it was so obvious, there wasn’t a straight ahead news report in any of the coverage.
Trudeau managed to accomplish the seemingly impossible task of simultaneously driving Liberal voters to both the Conservative and NDP camps.
Jim,
No wonder he was visibly rattled and stumbled on his words. (I think he already can see it coming.)
Let’s hope. The only reason that people can stand with Justin at this point is the payola.
As much as I’d like it to have legs, the story from the Buffalo “news” is fake clickbait, whether or not there is a modicum of truth to it.
Which I think there is..
The news on a fake news site isn’t necessarily fake. The news on a legitimate news site isn’t necessarily legitimate.
Such is the world we live in. The world’s intelligence agencies pretty much control all the so-called legitimate media in the world.
It makes finding the truth extremely difficult and time-consuming.
WSISYW,
Foolish me. It was my seemingly mistaken impression that they spent their time on more useful things, you know, like terrorism.
I wouldn’t ever base my vote on a “zinger” or one-liner. I just enjoy them for the entertainment value.
From that perspective, the “oddly obsessed with provincial politics” line from Scheer to Trudeau was my hands-down favorite.
Trudeau got crushed. Contrary to what was said above, Scheer’s over the top attack on Trudeau left him completely rattled. See rest of debate for examples. This wasn’t rope-a-dope. This was getting rocked in the opening 15 seconds of round 1 and then spend the rest of the night on the ropes getting beaten.
Scheer reminded me very much of Harper in the way he answered questions. He even had the same cadence and dewy soft voice. The Tories must employ professional coaches. Trudeau looked ridiculous. Gasping for answers. This man is our prime minister? Are we completely undignified as a country.
Cape Breton Liberal candidate posted this on social media : “why do skinny aboriginal girls make me wonder if they’re on pills or crystal meth”? It was in 2013, when he was 30, with a law degree in his back pocket. Same guy made jokes about being in a car stopped by RCMP for drinking and driving – and posted the photo on line. Somehow, the cracker jack LPC ‘Green Light’ vetting committee process missed all this! So how does the ‘Fake Feminist and Phony Indigenous Champion’ Justin respond last night?
JT: ” he took responsibility…. he apologized”.
Last night the same candidate said on CBC radio in Cape Breton: “I spoke with the Prime Minister, he’s got my back”.
And that, my friends, is Justin’s version of Reconciliation!
Where is Murray Sinclair when this country needs him most?
Montreal, at first I thought this was “fake news” like the non-Globe story. So I googled ‘Buffalo Chronicle’. You were right! Trudeau is toast. Minority CPC government with NDP as official opposition. Even Althea Raj and Gerry Butts will desert Trudeau.
All Liberal Candidates: SAVE YOURSELVES!
The Buffalo Chronicle is a notorious fake news site. It’s not a real newspaper FFS.
Andrew Scheer destroyed Justin Trudeau. I think the PM was totally unprepared and never recovered. When Andrew Scheer said the PM lied about SNC, the PM didn’t protest much.He looked uncomfortable all night. It was hilarious when he called Mr. Singh Mr. Scheer. The PM had a very poor debate.
Gilbert,
Trudeau was luckier this time: Blanchet didn’t get the same treatment Duceppe got last time.
Curious, Lizzy May said that Trudeau was going to win handily. Why would she say that? What’s her strategy behind that comment?
Douglas,
Maybe a legal name change is coming to Liberal-Minority-May? Are the Greens Trudeau’s life-preserver? Could be if Scheer screwed this up and doesn’t get a solid majority change mandate.
Trudeau can anoint himself whatever he wants. Most thinking Canadians see him as a fraud.
4 years ago if another leader had called Trudeau a fraud it would have backfired big time. In Canada you can’t just attack another candidate in such personal terms, unless it is widely agreed that there is a basis for the attack.
There are a few commentators saying that Scheer went over the top, and Trudeau’s main supporters are crying foul. But there is a major lack at outrage at the attack. This is because most Canadians who watched the debate were a bit shocked by the directness of the attack but were also nodding and thinking something like “wow, I guess that is right”.
Did Trudeau just say, with millions watching the debate, that the Globe and Mail was “false”, and by extension reject the Ethics Commissioner’s report, that he previously “fully accepted”?! He’s qualified to be Trump’s Canadian Diplomat. That’s about it.
Bill,
I don’t necessarily entirely disagree but I was willing to take Trudeau on his merits (such as they turned out to be) and will do reluctantly the same with Scheer.
Its a good thing spending on our troops didn’t come up during the debate. Global News reports that Groper has been quietly cutting back on funding for veterans in hospitals, leaving the hospitals on the hook for millions. Groper can find lots of money to send kids canoeing with him next summer, but vets are asking for too much when it comes to their healthcare.
New post-debate Forum poll.
CPC 35
Lib 28
Usual caveat applies : need to wait for confirmation from other pollsters.
I’ve heard from others. It’s not an outlier.