Great music. Especially the NO track. Desert island material. PP and Tony Baldinelli just had a presser announcing a private members bill to fix the Bernardo fiasco permanently. It is so late in the sitting, it would require unanimous consent. Be interesting to see how that plays out.
Of course, the press tried to pin him down on his views on the death penalty which he ducked nicely. Which will just trigger secret agenda discussions.
I like the idea of an international/global fire fighting team. Climate change is not nationalist; it’s global. It needs a global response. Yes, nation states can budget for it but we don’t need to hire a bureaucracy.
In fact, if things get worse as they may well, we should probably plan for a global response to migration too.
As crazy as it sounds, the WEF proposal to abandon ownership/settlement/industry and embrace migration/transience/sharing is not such a bad one.
I disagree that we should necessarily move Bernardo back to Millhaven. I’d like to hear the rationale Corrections relied on to make the decision. If they have made the move because they intend to release him at some point, they must give that idea up. But if there is some other reason that serves the purpose of penitentiary confinement – to encourage penitence, not despair, in offenders – then I am willing to consider that reason as legitimate.
I have opposed capital punishment my whole life, starting when I was 9 when I wrote a letter to the Minister of Justice about it. I could perhaps look the other way for killers who torture their victims first but we lower ourselves to the level of the offender when we torture our convicts.
Is Bernardo terminally ill? Are his parents terminally ill? Is the move required to encourage penitence and hold off permanent despair?
Convicts can lead good lives inside prisons, even when they have no chance of getting out. Bernardo has a good education; he should be given a chance to turn his life to good inside the prison system.
Full disclosure: I am a survivor/victor of a two-day to unconsciousness assault by a repeat sex offender police called “a Paul Bernardo”. Do I suffer Stockholm syndrome? I don’t think so. I have no interest whatsoever in being anywhere near offenders. I just don’t want to be anything like them and I think indulging revenge lowers us to their level.
Also, there is no justice. Karla Homolka (aka whoever she is these days) turned Bernardo in when he got sloppy and began discarding bodies on the sides of the road. She is arguably worse than he is. But she knew the right people, played her evil cards right, and got a deal for sacrificing her husband to the law. She married the brother of her lawyer and we can only wonder what their relationship is like, even more so for the veneer of normality that elitist family maintains.
Those videos Bernardo made – the copies weren’t destroyed. Houlahan et al. have all seen them and there are copies.
OPP PC Michelle Paradis told me that as soon as they arrested Bernardo, ten more just like him came forward to fill the market. She said those who bought his videos were doctors, lawyers and police executive; men who would never get caught for indulging their sadistic sex interests in hurting children.
So yeah, I say we should abandon the scapegoat routine and indulge a little sympathy for the devil.
The Truanon crowd are making noises that a public inquiry into election interference should be broader than China.
Let’s see; approximately 195 countries in the world, with the inquiry sitting 40 weeks a year, and 2 weeks per country, it would take about 10 years to examine the evidence. Add about 2 years to write the report?
Justin will be bald by that time, and presumably unelectable.
But I’ll volunteer to run it at $2000/day plus expenses.
The Liberals did not allow the motion to force Bernardo back into maximum security to go through. Be interesting to have the name(s) of the MP(s) who said no.
This seems to be the review process but only for the offender:
Role of the Appeal Division
The role of the Appeal Division is to ensure that the law and the PBC’s policies are respected, that the rules of fundamental justice are followed and that the PBC’s decisions are based upon relevant, reliable, and persuasive information.
An offender or a person acting on behalf of an offender can appeal a decision of the PBC on their conditional release. Subsequently, the Appeal Division reviews the decision-making process to ensure that the offender’s rights have been respected.
The [National Parole Board] Appeal Division has jurisdiction to re-assess the issue of risk to re-offend and to substitute its discretion for that of the original decision makers, but only where it finds that the Board’s decision was unfounded, and unsupported by the information available at the time the decision was made.
Even if he was talking about the Canadian-Italian community(bullshit-it was law dude clever language), it does not change the fact that Frankie is no longer a serious person given his latest association with Justin. But I digress.
I understand the emotion, and outrage regarding Bernardo – across the political spectrum folks are outraged. Why aren’t they as outraged when people are wrongly convicted? Is it human instinct, or is it about cultural conditioning?
I was kind of kidding above about how there is a pro Bernardo wing in the latest incarnation of the Liberal party but it would appear I wasn’t too far off the mark given the latest news about Mendicino and the transfer.
QP should be fun today. Wednesday is the day Justin is supposed to take all the questions. On a side note and related to the current dust up between Caputo and Lametti(Gerretsen was again making a fool out of himself yesterday in the House over that). I get a little tired of the “he was appointed by Harper” refrain. My guess is that when he appointed former serious people like Frankie and Davey that he was holding his nose. He had to have been. The Laurentian elite and their toadies in the public sector are so ingrained that he was left with no choice but to work with them. Look what happened when he stopped.
Hum. Pierre wants Mendicino to resign. How many ministers do you know who quite deliberately are allegedly kept in the dark by their own staff ? Thought it was only standing operating procedure in the PMO. Plausible deniability won’t wash. At least his ministerial staff have shown themselves to be Trudeau PMO calibre. Comforting thought that.
Katie Telford and Gerald Butts got caught claiming improper moving expenses (cheating on expense accounts?) and supposedly they paid the money back.
1. Does anyone know if they actually paid it back?
2. If 1 was yes, did Justin give them big raises to effectively reimburse them?
3. Or did they get rewarded with lucrative contracts once they left (Butts), or to relatives (Telford)?
So I just heard on P and P that Marco’s staff knew who Bernardo was. That was the most charitable explanation. They were too young to know just how horrifying his crimes were. I got nothing. Someone’s head needs to roll. The buck should stop with Marco but he has already thrown his staff under the bus. Something I would never do with my staff but that is just me.
Marco challenged PP to repeat his statement that Marco was lying outside the house. Threatening to sue I guess. He already has said it outside though.
Just another fine example (among so many) about how this government is so thoroughly full of shit. They have absolutely no shame and have pegged Canadians for idiots. In truth, only THEY are idiots.
Great music. Especially the NO track. Desert island material. PP and Tony Baldinelli just had a presser announcing a private members bill to fix the Bernardo fiasco permanently. It is so late in the sitting, it would require unanimous consent. Be interesting to see how that plays out.
Of course, the press tried to pin him down on his views on the death penalty which he ducked nicely. Which will just trigger secret agenda discussions.
I like the idea of an international/global fire fighting team. Climate change is not nationalist; it’s global. It needs a global response. Yes, nation states can budget for it but we don’t need to hire a bureaucracy.
In fact, if things get worse as they may well, we should probably plan for a global response to migration too.
As crazy as it sounds, the WEF proposal to abandon ownership/settlement/industry and embrace migration/transience/sharing is not such a bad one.
I disagree that we should necessarily move Bernardo back to Millhaven. I’d like to hear the rationale Corrections relied on to make the decision. If they have made the move because they intend to release him at some point, they must give that idea up. But if there is some other reason that serves the purpose of penitentiary confinement – to encourage penitence, not despair, in offenders – then I am willing to consider that reason as legitimate.
I have opposed capital punishment my whole life, starting when I was 9 when I wrote a letter to the Minister of Justice about it. I could perhaps look the other way for killers who torture their victims first but we lower ourselves to the level of the offender when we torture our convicts.
Is Bernardo terminally ill? Are his parents terminally ill? Is the move required to encourage penitence and hold off permanent despair?
Convicts can lead good lives inside prisons, even when they have no chance of getting out. Bernardo has a good education; he should be given a chance to turn his life to good inside the prison system.
Full disclosure: I am a survivor/victor of a two-day to unconsciousness assault by a repeat sex offender police called “a Paul Bernardo”. Do I suffer Stockholm syndrome? I don’t think so. I have no interest whatsoever in being anywhere near offenders. I just don’t want to be anything like them and I think indulging revenge lowers us to their level.
Also, there is no justice. Karla Homolka (aka whoever she is these days) turned Bernardo in when he got sloppy and began discarding bodies on the sides of the road. She is arguably worse than he is. But she knew the right people, played her evil cards right, and got a deal for sacrificing her husband to the law. She married the brother of her lawyer and we can only wonder what their relationship is like, even more so for the veneer of normality that elitist family maintains.
Those videos Bernardo made – the copies weren’t destroyed. Houlahan et al. have all seen them and there are copies.
OPP PC Michelle Paradis told me that as soon as they arrested Bernardo, ten more just like him came forward to fill the market. She said those who bought his videos were doctors, lawyers and police executive; men who would never get caught for indulging their sadistic sex interests in hurting children.
So yeah, I say we should abandon the scapegoat routine and indulge a little sympathy for the devil.
The Truanon crowd are making noises that a public inquiry into election interference should be broader than China.
Let’s see; approximately 195 countries in the world, with the inquiry sitting 40 weeks a year, and 2 weeks per country, it would take about 10 years to examine the evidence. Add about 2 years to write the report?
Justin will be bald by that time, and presumably unelectable.
But I’ll volunteer to run it at $2000/day plus expenses.
Warren,
Anyone looking up a Trudeau Public Inquiry in the dictionary will find an immediate reference to the definition of cutting one’s own throat.
LeBlanc to the opposition parties, “Tell us what the terms of reference would be.”
Mr LeBlanc that’s the government’s job
Sounds like LeBlanc is admitting what we know; Team Trudeau is incompetent.
Peter,
They’re hoping that the combined opposition parties are even more inept and incompetent than this government is. Not even a nice try.
The Liberals did not allow the motion to force Bernardo back into maximum security to go through. Be interesting to have the name(s) of the MP(s) who said no.
Apparently, Gerretsen was part of the pro Bernardo faction of the Liberal party that said no to the motion.
Martin,
Did they not “contact” the Corrections Commissioner about this? Isn’t that a big no-no, like when some politico calls a judge?
Surely there must be some kind of appeal or review process after a NPB panel renders a decision?
This seems to be the review process but only for the offender:
Role of the Appeal Division
The role of the Appeal Division is to ensure that the law and the PBC’s policies are respected, that the rules of fundamental justice are followed and that the PBC’s decisions are based upon relevant, reliable, and persuasive information.
An offender or a person acting on behalf of an offender can appeal a decision of the PBC on their conditional release. Subsequently, the Appeal Division reviews the decision-making process to ensure that the offender’s rights have been respected.
The [National Parole Board] Appeal Division has jurisdiction to re-assess the issue of risk to re-offend and to substitute its discretion for that of the original decision makers, but only where it finds that the Board’s decision was unfounded, and unsupported by the information available at the time the decision was made.
Wow-that is insane. In this case, Gerretesen and his ilk have Bernardo’s back though. No need to avail himself of any appeal rights.
What happens if Bernardo says he’s now a woman. Would she be sent to a women’s prison?
Peter,
That’s not how it works. It’s not a poof thing that can suddenly be conjured up in mid-air. It’s a matter of mental health, for starters.
I want the names.
Gilbert,
https://www.canada.ca/en/parole-board/services/decision-registry/how-do-i-request-a-decision-from-the-registry.html
They are a bunch of thugs. Isn’t a threat like this the sort of thing that should be reported to a professional organization?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-mp-email-justice-minister-1.6874215
Even if he was talking about the Canadian-Italian community(bullshit-it was law dude clever language), it does not change the fact that Frankie is no longer a serious person given his latest association with Justin. But I digress.
I understand the emotion, and outrage regarding Bernardo – across the political spectrum folks are outraged. Why aren’t they as outraged when people are wrongly convicted? Is it human instinct, or is it about cultural conditioning?
Whataboutism at its finest. Just yesterday I was disgusted by this story.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/bernard-doyle-tyler-cunningham-death-pathologist-charles-smith-acquittal-1.6874491
Am I now allowed to comment on the fact that you are backing a pro-Bernardo party? Is there ever enough for you people?
As I keep saying, the cult is worse than this bunch:
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/23/464129029/donald-trump-i-could-shoot-somebody-and-i-wouldnt-lose-any-voters
I was kind of kidding above about how there is a pro Bernardo wing in the latest incarnation of the Liberal party but it would appear I wasn’t too far off the mark given the latest news about Mendicino and the transfer.
Do these people not know how to use The Google?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bernardo
It appears that Trudeau has appointed a lot of Sergeant Schultzes to his cabinet. Their common refrain “I know nothing”.
And Jagmeet Singh says he’s holding team Trudeau to account. How? He chirps a lot on Twitter, but then votes with all the I know nothings.
Sgt. Schultz. I’m going to use that.
QP should be fun today. Wednesday is the day Justin is supposed to take all the questions. On a side note and related to the current dust up between Caputo and Lametti(Gerretsen was again making a fool out of himself yesterday in the House over that). I get a little tired of the “he was appointed by Harper” refrain. My guess is that when he appointed former serious people like Frankie and Davey that he was holding his nose. He had to have been. The Laurentian elite and their toadies in the public sector are so ingrained that he was left with no choice but to work with them. Look what happened when he stopped.
Justin didn’t show. Chicken shit. Marco threw his staff under the bus but did say he took “corrective action”.
No wonder he didn’t show given the latest news that he knew. Let’s see if he shows up tomorrow.
No sign of him today either. Private meetings.
https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/itineraries/2023/06/14/prime-ministers-itinerary-thursday-june-15-2023
Likely going to rag the puck until the House rises.
PP trying to resurrect the bill that the pro Bernardo faction of the Liberal party would not allow to be passed by unanimous consent the other day.
Warren,
Hum. Pierre wants Mendicino to resign. How many ministers do you know who quite deliberately are allegedly kept in the dark by their own staff ? Thought it was only standing operating procedure in the PMO. Plausible deniability won’t wash. At least his ministerial staff have shown themselves to be Trudeau PMO calibre. Comforting thought that.
Katie Telford and Gerald Butts got caught claiming improper moving expenses (cheating on expense accounts?) and supposedly they paid the money back.
1. Does anyone know if they actually paid it back?
2. If 1 was yes, did Justin give them big raises to effectively reimburse them?
3. Or did they get rewarded with lucrative contracts once they left (Butts), or to relatives (Telford)?
Peter,
Maybe The Mother Corp could give each of them a call and ask them. Oh, right.
So I just heard on P and P that Marco’s staff knew who Bernardo was. That was the most charitable explanation. They were too young to know just how horrifying his crimes were. I got nothing. Someone’s head needs to roll. The buck should stop with Marco but he has already thrown his staff under the bus. Something I would never do with my staff but that is just me.
Marco challenged PP to repeat his statement that Marco was lying outside the house. Threatening to sue I guess. He already has said it outside though.
Martin,
Just another fine example (among so many) about how this government is so thoroughly full of shit. They have absolutely no shame and have pegged Canadians for idiots. In truth, only THEY are idiots.
Quoting Yves-Francois Blanchet, “if they (Trudeau’s ministers) no do little, what the hell are they doing there?”
Answer? Seems like they must be busy diverting money to friends and relatives.