— Musings —10.20.2023 05:53 PM
— Musings —10.20.2023 05:53 PM
Warren,
“He that goeth to bedde wyth Dogges, aryseth with fleas.”
Wise advice for the LegionOfTheIncrediblyStupidTM.
Warren,
Personally, I’d rather have Sophie Grégoire as Foreign Affairs Minister. Somehow, it would seem much more fitting.
Warren,
You’re dead on. He fucking knows perfectly well and has for ages that he should get the hell out before the Liberal Party is decimated and he doesn’t give a shit about that. Put another way, he couldn’t care less how many die-hard Liberals want him out. He’s hell-bent on staying for the sake of his humongous ego and overinflated pride (typical Liberal traits) and that’s precisely what he’ll do. The more people push, the more he will dig in his heels determined not to leave knowing full well that his caucus of whimps, boot-lickers and ass-kissers will do precisely diddly to take him out, politically speaking. He has all the power. They have NONE.
Ronald, Surely, there must be those, in the Liberal Party of Canada’s executive, who are troubled not only by the direction of this government, but by the direction of this country, and deliver an ultimatum to the PM: resign or matters will become … uncomfortable.
Are such backroom conversations happening, now?
Wouldn’t rule it out.
Douglas,
If the past is prologue, just look to Martin who had to stew in his own juices until Chrétien decided to leave as PM. IMHO, that’s the most recent template available for reference.
Yes indeed: the long good bye. Remember it well.
Remember when Martin got fired as Finance Minister, and didn’t know about it until after Manley was sworn in as the new FM. Golden.
I humbly suggest that the difference between then and now is Corporate Canada.
Then, Corporate Canada was comfortable with the PM of the day.
Now, not so much because Corporate Canada hates uncertainty.
PMJT brings massive uncertainty, and there will be a tipping point when Corporate Canada starts pulling levers that will ultimately spring the trap door.
Douglas,
Martin called in on Cross Country Checkup to let all of us know that he found out about his firing on CCC. Geez, I wonder why Chrétien had to do that? Apparently, it had plenty to do with an avalanche of “secret” hotel room meetings…
DW: I don’t think so. It’s a weird situation. I suspect that behind closed doors, Justin is actually the most unpopular leader of all time, and has been since the spring of 2020.
My guess is that once that match is lit, the house will burn down extremely quickly, within 24 hours. IE if someone at a high level such as President of LPC or Cabinet demanded a resignation on Monday morning, the dominoes would fall so quickly, it would happen Tuesday morning.
It seems that no one has the spine to do it for some reason. I genuinely don’t understand this phenomenon because I can’t believe anyone of sound mind thinks this foolishness needs to continue.
In short, I don’t think any moves are being made because we’d know about it and it would be over with very, very quickly.
Sean, random thoughts:
PMJT caucus lovers: Gould and … not sure of anyone else.
Agreed: a resignation call (leaked to the media) from a party executive or a high-ranking banker would set things in motion, pretty fast.
Spineless caucus: yup, because they’re holding on for dear life until 2025 because they’re compensative extremely well.
Finally, the over/under: a 2024 leadership vote will be set before Christmas.
This sh*t show can’t go on forever.
The country is drifting, and too many Canadians are hurting.
* a 2024 leadership vote date
Sean,
The other factor is, of course, the post-Trudeau massive rebuild from the ashes. There’s a certain logic in believing that the next LPC leader should not inherit that kind of a task pre-election. So, in the alternative, comes the massive swan dive followed by party rebuilding post-defeat on its own timetable. I can understand that. Less of a rush to fill the leader’s job.
On Pierre vs Justin, this is about all I have to say:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6MGOqO3X4E
On Joly, Kyle Duggan, who wrote this ridiculous, hilarious fawning piece on Joly needs to watch this Sun video and then revise and extend this Entertainment Tonight nonsense:
“”Some people are saying she” is already being floated to replace Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.”
Who exactly said that-I ask while munching on my apple.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/17/trudeau-canada-melanie-joly-israel-hamas-war-00122061
There is only one possible explanation that would explain why he would write that.
Martin,
The Trudeau Liberal mindset is already as low as it possibly could be. Their minimum standard for leader is practically anyone walking down a street as leader and in that context Joly would be a perfectly natural fit.
Warren,
From Global:
https://globalnews.ca/news/10033201/trudeau-government-polling-trouble/
I really felt like the best candidate for Trudeau to run against was PP. He’s just such an offensive guy I thought he’d turn off more than he turned on. Guess I was wrong.
Curious V,
Two things: more than any other factor, as Warren has repeatedly said, governments defeat themselves. Trudeau is doing it now and Harper did it before him.
Secondly, people change, grow and evolve. That’s clearly what Pierre has done.
It takes a big man to say that he was wrong. Most politicos would never do that, even if their life depended on it. So, my respects, sir.
His alleged offensiveness was mostly a MSM fiction. People(including some in his own caucus who I literally had to argue with and remind them of old comments they had made about him) were mixing up offensive with effectiveness. That was just jealousy. Petty. Lots of Red Tories(including some on this board) shared your view Curious so you were certainly not alone. The usual suspects refrain of “just wait until people get to know him” was always a laughable threat to me. Bring it on. They have and we see the results. The young and union voters. It was there to see if people just spent some time looking for it. My reaction to people who would say-I guess I will hold my nose and vote for him was another tell they were weren’t paying attention. Keep your vote-you likely voted for Justin in 2015 anyway.
Speaking of people who were unable to read the room, I was wondering what the heck happened to this guy this morning:.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/ex-conservative-quebec-mp-political-orphan-alain-rayes-won-t-seek-re-election-1.6556498
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out:
https://338canada.com/24061e.htm