06.29.2019 03:52 PM

The Toronto Star (!) condemns Trudeau


  1. salamander says:

    .. you see Andrew Scheer .. as the solution.. or failing that.. Singh.. sigh.. It’s all Smashed In Buffalo Head.. leap of th cliff..

    but.. I will depart a Canada with Andrew Scheer as Prime Minister.. migrate to Turks n Caicos Islands.. 1 way ticket.. toleration level of scumbag evangelicals – such as Scheer – zero – but ‘fill yer boots’ as they say

  2. jj gibbons says:

    I’d rather have Trudeau with his mistakes (well intentioned efforts) than Harper Scheer with his certainties.

  3. Luke says:

    Headline should read: “TorStar editorial board begs Trudeau to grow up ahead of next election”

  4. Dan says:

    Are they kidding? With all the negative pile on over the last few months the fact that Nanos has him even with Scheer is amazing. I think a lot of the media are in for a surprise come October.

    • The Doctor says:

      That sounds just like those Trump supporters who insist that if it weren’t for all of the negative coverage from the Fake News Media (you know, the Enemy of the People), Trump’s approval ratings would be like 90%.

      • Dan says:

        No, what I said sounds like fact based thinking. What you said sounds Trumpian. You’ve always seemed like a sem- reasonable Conservative on this site. Let’s not screw up a fairly good track record.

        • Ronald O'Dowd says:


          You need to read Doc’s comment again cause you clearly don’t get it. Doc is in no way advocating for the argument that was put forward.

          • Dan says:

            Why don’t you explain it to me Ronald. My reading says he was implying my comment had Trumpian fanboy overtones. And then of course the resident grumpy right winger from B.C. stuck his nose in.

        • Fred from BC says:

          “You’ve always seemed like a semi- reasonable Conservative on this site. Let’s not screw up a fairly good track record.”

          I’m sure Doc would be just devastated to lose your personal approval of his political opinions. I know I would be…

  5. Martin says:

    Their last line implies that they think it is recoverable which is patent nonsense but typical of The Daily Star.

  6. the real Sean says:

    …sigh… the best thing not crazy Liberals can cheer for is that the Zoolander mess will be decisively ended in about 16 weeks.

  7. Bill Malcolm says:

    That dope Scheer stood up and said Trudeau should have sorted out the China problem while at Osaka, as if it were just matter of threatening them. They’ve been giving us the cold shoulder – so what’s Scheer’s plan? Blah, blah, blah, squawk, I would have done better, I would have threatened them, I’m a big strong leader, blah, blah, blah. That’s the whole plan. Like his environmental plan tat – a great big fat nothing. A zero.

    All Cons know how to do is to lower taxes for the rich so that government revenues fall, then we must have austerity because we don’t have enough money. Fire those civil servants – we can’t afford them! The rich get richer and the Cons con. The people get screwed and live on wildfire smoke and elite horse manure fed us out of “Non-Profit Institutes”, where “scholars” labour at producing intellectual nonsense for the benefit of the rich who fund them.

    I’ve seen zero sign that Scheer could organize his way out of a wet paper bag! Or even tear apart mounds of wet sphagetti with his bare hands. Any dolt can stand up and say he could have done better, and Sheer’s a fine dolt fom all indications. Make Rempel Foreign Minister and she could yell, scream and stamp her feet and have an excellent rant about Commies. That’ll work on the Chinese every time.

    Yes, Scheer, without having ever been in charge of anything more than the parliamentary cafeteria and being a useless Speaker of the House, apparently in his daydreams has amazing powers on the international stage where he will trample those darn 1.4 billion Chicoms like swatting a fly. All big mouth, no trousers. Totally unconvincing. Scheer would crumple at the first sign of any retaliatory threats because he’s unable to think on his feet. You just have to see him in interviews repeating rote answers. Flexible the man is not.

    And at home, if the Cons get in, we’ll get a Ford Train Wreck style government, as Andrew Coyne calls that lout’s “performance”, just for the entire country instead. Where MPs stand up or sit down like puppets and cheer at every stupid thing their leader says as if it were Italy in the 1930s, and crony nepotism reigns supreme.

    I am intensely unhappy at the way our country is going. So, this blog owner’s predilections notwithstanding, I’d take Trudeau over Scheer every single time. There’s poor performance but a real Canadian – that much is clear, and then there’s a dull market-agenda-driven parochial dunce from the Prairies. Easy choice out of two uninspiring candidates.

    • Fred from BC says:

      “I am intensely unhappy at the way our country is going. So, this blog owner’s predilections notwithstanding, I’d take Trudeau over Scheer every single time.”

      So…you don’t like what’s happening, but your vote will be to stay on the same path?. Interesting.

      “There’s poor performance but a real Canadian – that much is clear, and then there’s a dull market-agenda-driven parochial dunce from the Prairies. ”

      And Andrew Scheer isn’t a ‘real’ Canadian, either? Okay…

    • The Doctor says:

      So Scheer’s not a “real Canadian”? What is this, some Liberal version of a Birther Conspiracy?

      • Ronald O'Dowd says:


        I quite literally raged at Just Visiting because it was so damned effective and Michael, for all of his tremendous intellect, couldn’t effectively counter-argue that one. It was a fucking master stroke. But Harper, to the best of my knowledge, never called Ignatieff un-Canadian. Not a road for any politician to go down.

    • Maria Chisholm says:

      Trudeau gave Canada the carbon tax 6.5 & this will only go up at our cost! Take paper & light it & that gets rid of carbon. Even the trees do that! The liberals introduced Hydro 1 to Ontario! That was well planned in advanced! He did nothing for the seniors or our Vet soldiers! He wanted to take away the diabetic supplement! He is promoting drugs! Canada needs to get rid of that, help our youth! He needs to increase CPP & have respect for the seniors!

  8. On Reflection 1 says:

    Gees – I’m getting that “Trump can’t possibly win in 2016” vibe for Trudeau. To my way of thinking the election will come down to how many votes bleed from Trudeau to Singh and May and how many make the gigantic jump and switch from Liberal to Conservative. But of course what do I know!

  9. Ronald O'Dowd says:


    Scheer makes me miss Harper. Incredibly, seriously. And those from yesteryear remember how much Harper was mon homme, in the good old days…when the regional organizer burst out laughing as soon as he saw me wearing that Harper button.

    • Ronald O'Dowd says:

      To be fair, Harper was a wet noodle when he first became CPC leader. We thought our present PM capable of political evolution back in 2015. Maybe Scheer can grow in the job, or he’s just another Trudeau. It’s a roll of the dice, folks.

      • Fred from BC says:

        My thoughts as well, Ronald. We already know what we will get from Trudeau if he is reelected. Andrew Scheer may or may not prove to be much better, but he can hardly be worse.

        • Ronald O'Dowd says:


          When people ask me why I won’t vote CPC, I always give them the following: I have my view of Canada. It doesn’t even remotely resemble the Western view or the Alberta view. So, my view is equally respectable as other views. My view is no better or worse than other people’s view. But in my case, I simply can’t and won’t vote CPC as long as it does not, within limits, reasonably reflect my view of Canada. That may be right or wrong but at least it’s fair.

          • Fred from BC says:

            ” That may be right or wrong but at least it’s fair.”

            Damn right it is, and no one can ask for more than that.

  10. Dan says:

    I like everything about this government. Good economy, great job reports, action on climate and help for my kids young families, not to mention the equal number of women in cabinet. Petty scandals cut no ice with me.
    Every party would have done the same thing re Snc Lavelin. Minor screw up re someone providing plastic straws is insignificant compared to the potential for disaster with a Con government.

    • Ronald O'Dowd says:


      I’ve NEVER liked everything about any of the governments I’ve supported at the ballot box. Need I say more?

  11. Fred from BC says:

    If you’re a Liberal and the Red Star turns against you, you know your days are numbered.

    • Ronald O'Dowd says:


      In truth, this is already Scheer’s election to lose. One proviso: the PM is a reasonably good debater. So, Scheer must not blow the debates otherwise Trudeau becomes the comeback kid. Not likely but certainly NOT impossible.

      • Dan says:

        When Canadians look around the world at the nasty nationalism taking place along with the horror on the border down south they deem these minor
        missteps by Trudeau as irrelevant. You are right about his debating and he will make mince meat out of Scheer this fall.

        • Ronald O'Dowd says:


          I wouldn’t call them minor missteps but I’ll give you this: if the Liberals hold women and First Nations on E Day, then JWR, JP, Kinsella and yours truly are on the wrong side of these issues, as far as the voting public is concerned.

        • Ronald O'Dowd says:


          To quote Lady Mary Josephine Talbot (née Crawley) in the Downton Abbey movie: “(H)ardly.”

  12. Fred from BC says:

    “Petty scandals cut no ice with me.”

    “they deem these minor missteps by Trudeau as irrelevant.”

    Good to know that you consider obstruction of justice and political corruption to be so unimportant. Doesn’t surprise me at all, in light of your apparent fanboy worship of PM Zoolander .

    (and just for the record I’m not “grumpy”….just amused…:)

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