Debate stuff (updated)

Real people don’t watch debates the way journalists or hacks do.  They’re not looking for a “defining moment” or a “knockout punch” – or who got off the best nasty quip or insult.  They dislike politics because of that kind of stuff.  They think there’s too much of it already.

To Joe and Jane Frontporch, a debate is a televised job interview.  In something like last night’s Ontario leaders’ debate, they wanted to see who looked and sounded most like a Premier.

Hudak and Horwath were applying for the jobs they already had – opposition leaders. That left my guy to look and sound like a Premier.  That’s why the only post-debate poll said we won.

More here about what a debate is, and isn’t.

 


Tim Hudak, liar

He said in the debate, and after the debate, that he didn’t call hard-working, tax-paying citizens “foreign.”

He’s a liar.  (And I dare him to sue.)


Post-debate media reaction

“You heard it here first: a Liberal Majority on October 6, 2011. Hudak, you blew a 10% lead and your party will need a new leader.”  –Tarek Fatah, Newstalk 1010

“McGuinty defended himself solidly under fire.”  – Barry McLoughlin, communications advisor to Conservative ministers

“Experience matters and experience showed tonight.  The Premier spoke at a completely different level… I’m not sure Mr. Hudak once mentioned the world beyond Ontario’s borders… The Premier’s experience was on great display.” – Jim Coyle, Toronto Star

“[I] declare McGuinty the debate winner.” – Ken Gray, Ottawa Citizen

“McGuinty held his own.” – Jeff Ferrier, NDP advisor

“None of [Horwath’s] plans make a lick of sense.” – Kelly McParland, National Post

“McGuinty largely held his ground against attacks from Horwath and Hudak.”  – CBC News

“McGuinty was really strong when defending the HST.” – Steve Ladurantaye, Globe and Mail

“If experience matters, experience showed tonight, and the Premier spoke at a different level than [the others]….He’s one of the elder statesmen of the Canadian federation now.” – Jim Coyle, Toronto Star

“I was kind of disappointed in Horwath.  I had high hopes, but she was kind of disappointing overall.”  – Matt Gurney, National Post

“The big advantage Dalton McGuinty had was the big picture.  He brought up the global economy more times than we could count, brought up Ontario’s relationship with Ottawa, the health accord, the global economy…” – Huffington Post

 


What media said about leaders’ debate

“Dalton McGuinty has come a long way since his first debate [in 1999]” – Allan Bonner, media trainer

“Hudak [is] coming across as slick and processed.” – Kady O’Malley, CBC News

“[I] don’t think this debate wins Hudak any more voters.” – David Akin, Sun News

“[There was a] strong attack by McGuinty on Hudak’s “foreign” comments.” – Globe and Mail editorial board

“Hudak wouldn’t say what he’ll cut to save two cents on a dollar outside health and education ministries.” – Paul Bliss, CTV News

“Horwarth and Hudak’s [false] smiles at each other make me uncomfortable.” – Steve Ladurantaye, Globe

“Hudak’s impressive-sounding list of possible cuts yields few actual dollars” – Karim Bardeesy, Globe and Mail

“Horwath, stop interrupting.” – Tabatha Southey, Globe and Mail

“Hudak is repeating himself.” – Mike Crawley, CBC News

“Problem for Horwath and Hudak: Not clear that one or the other is delivering McGuinty knockout.” – David Akin, Sun News

“Hudak would do himself a favour by mentioning more ideas of his own.” – Adam Radwanski, Globe and Mail

“Hudak was awfully quiet in the legislature when his federal party was giving Ontario billions to help bring in HST.” – Paul Bliss, CTV News

“Dalton_McGuinty says he’s with Bill Davis…throws PC icon at Hudak. Ouch.” – Rob Benzie, Toronto Star

“Hudak has still not said how he’s paying for it.” – David Akin, Sun News

“[One] question was about lack of bold ideas in [the election]. McGuinty talked about stuff he’s already done. Hudak talked about McGuinty.” – Adam Radwanski, Globe and Mail


What went wrong? The song!

So, we heard yesterday that radio shock jock Lowell Green, the Ground Zero of Conservative Causes, had gone ape on Tim Hudak.  His words inspired a video, below.

Well, we were listening to that video, and it sounded to us like there was a natural cadence – a rhythm if you will – to Green’s words.  So one of our super-smart young guys here at Ontario Liberal HQ turned into a remix.

Here’s the video version – and here’s where you can get an MP3 to upload to Facebook and Twitter!

 


Andrea Horwath: deceiver, dissimulator, equivocator, fabricator, falsifier, fabulist, etc.

So, let’s see.

Andrea Horwath gets asked about the $100,425 of taxpayer money that went to the NDP’s corporate entity – the Ontario Cornerstone Leadership Corporation.

Here’s what she says to the Sun this morning: “It has nothing to do with me…the corporation is a separate entity…It’s an independent organization…”

That so?  Really?

Here’s a quote that may jog Andrea’s memory.

“Welcome to the Cornerstone Campaign – a new initiative to purchase a permanent Ontario NDP headquarters, fund our pre-election activities and finance the 2007 election.”

Speaker?  That would be Howard Hampton, Horwath’s predecessor as leader of the selfsame Ontario NDP.

Not enough?  How about this: all eight members of the Ontario Cornerstone Leadership Corporation board of directors are super-duper close BFFs of Andrea Horwath.  All of them.

Still not enough? Here’s a snap taken by someone at the international ploughing match last week.  On the right, a smiling Andrea Horwath.  In the middle, two guys I don’t particularly care about at the moment.

And on the left?  That would be Sandra Clifford, the Ontario NDP’s president.  And, also, president of Cornerstone.


Far left (as it were): Sandra Clifford, Cornerstone prez. Far right: Andrea Horwath.  They totally don’t know each other.